Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

[friedaweed]

'it's a filthy business alright'

Is that a decent enough commentary?

Tbh I just gloss over your posts on this thread now. I stopped to look at this one and it says nothing of any importance.
Not defending anyone else's posts here, just pointing out the deficiency in yours.

It's his use of language I take issue with. If we all said his diet was boring and trendy hipster he'd be the first one to cry. He's got everyone on the thread who wants an actual discussion on ignore. What does that say for his daily cut and paste runs?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

oh I'm bored by it. I've pointed out several times that the kind of shitty language aimed at meat-eaters isn't reciprocated and wouldn't be tolerated if it were being directed at veggies.

It's unfortunate as a proper debate is rendered impossible. Irony is that nobody here is defending 'big meat'. Absolutely nobody.

 

[Yossarian]

I didn't see anybody equate "not British" with "rotten," BBC story mentioned in its second sentence that the same company accused of mislabeling foreign pork was also accused of mixing rotten pork in with fresh pork.

Leading with the country of origin fraud instead of the rotten meat seems more Daily Mail than BBC - "Dodgy meat company claimed FOREIGN pork was from BRITISH suppliers! Also they supplied rotten meat to schools and care homes"

 

[butcher]

Generally people preferentially buy British meat as welfare standards are perceived to be higher than many continental countries.

However the blanket use if British and foreign does come across as jingoistic.

Personally I have seriously been considering whether to engage with U75 at all due to the rather bizarre attitude of it's owner.

I used to respect Ed as a fair minded, progressive person, no longer.

He is already the only person on my ignore list due to his unnecessarily caustic manner.

 

[editor]

Here's the response from Italy's right wing government to lab grown, cruelty-free meat:

Italy's right-wing government has backed a bill that would ban laboratory-produced meat and other synthetic foods, highlighting Italian food heritage and health protection.

If the proposals go through, breaking the ban would attract fines of up to €60,000 (£53,000).
Francesco Lollobrigida, who runs the rebranded ministry for agriculture and food sovereignty, spoke of the importance of Italy's food tradition.
The farmers' lobby praised the move.
But it was a blow for some animal welfare groups, which have highlighted lab-made meat as a solution to issues including protecting the environment from carbon emissions and food safety.

Mr Lollobrigida, who comes from the same far-right Brothers of Italy party as the prime minister said: "Laboratory products do not guarantee quality, well-being and the protection of the Italian food and wine culture and tradition, to which part of our tradition is linked."
The proposals, approved by ministers on Tuesday, seek to ban synthetic foods produced from animal cells without killing the animal, and would apply to lab-produced fish and synthetic milk too.

Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni says the proposed ban aims to protect farmers and consumers.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[editor]

Generally people preferentially buy British meat as welfare standards are perceived to be higher than many continental countries.

Agreed, but meat imports are not going down:

During December, the UK imported 23,300 tonnes of fresh and frozen beef, down 9% year-on-year. This brought total imports for 2021 to 241,300 tonnes, up 4% compared to 2020, and close to the quantity imported in 2019 (+1%).

As the year progressed, import volumes generally followed an upward trend compared to 2020, having being significantly lower in the first quarter immediately following the Brexit deadline. As the foodservice market continued to reopen in the UK, and traders worked through new post-Brexit requirements, volumes rose to meet demand. This was also set against a backdrop of lower domestic production.

The UK imported more beef from both the EU and outside the bloc. In actual terms, Ireland contributed the most to the overall increase in UK import volumes. Notable growth also came from Uruguay, Brazil, Germany and Poland, but from lower bases.

In value terms, an 11% increase in the overall average price of beef imported into the UK took the total value of shipments to £1.05 billion.

UK beef imports up, exports down: 2021 trade review | AHDB

The release of December data allows us to see the full beef trade picture for 2021

ahdb.org.uk

 

[Funky_monks]

'it's a filthy business alright'

Is that a decent enough commentary?

Tbh I just gloss over your posts on this thread now. I stopped to look at this one and it says nothing of any importance.
Not defending anyone else's posts here, just pointing out the deficiency in yours.

What happens is, somebody posts up a decent, referenced article which he hasn't got any proper response to, so the thread gets bombed with a whole lot of random bollocks.
The lols@ Italian government banning industrial slop "meats" because its far right as opposed to the fact that Italy has a food culture that values quality and provenance....

 

[editor]

For the record, I've always thought that the wholesale slaughter of tens of millions of animals - and in particular factory farming where animals are kept in disgraceful conditions - to be a filthy, cruel business.

 

[editor]

In the Guardian today:

Cows in the UK could be given “methane blockers” to reduce their emissions of the greenhouse gas as part of plans to achieve the country’s climate goals.

Farmers welcomed the proposal, which follows a consultation that began in August on how new types of animal feed product can reduce digestive emissions from the animals.

Sounds good, but...

However, green campaigners were sceptical, arguing that the move would not address the other major environmental harms resulting from the beef and dairy industries and showed a fixation on “techno fixes” rather than reducing consumption.

Methane from cattle burps and manure is a major contributor to greenhouse gas emissions; cows and other farm animals are responsible for about 14% of human-induced climate emissions. There are about 9.4m cows and calves in the UK.

Vicki Hird, head of farming for Sustain, an alliance of organisations that promote better food and farming, was similarly sceptical of the methane blocker plan. “Governments and industry love their techno fixes like cattle feed methane suppressants and these may help a bit.

“But they won’t fix the major harms associated with our huge livestock fixation, from rainforest clearance for feeds and pasture to UK river pollution and harm to wildlife, all of which inhibit action on climate, too. We need to produce and eat less and better meat using agro-ecological tools known for whole farm and nature benefits.”

British cows could be given ‘methane blockers’ to cut climate emissions

UK’s 9.4m cattle produce 14% of human-related emissions, mostly from belching, but green groups remain sceptical

www.theguardian.com

 

[friedaweed]

eat less and better meat using agro-ecological tools known for whole farm and nature benefits

Agroecology is sustainable farming that works with nature.​

Ecology is the study of relationships between plants, animals, people, and their environment - and the balance between these relationships.


Agroecology is the application of ecological concepts and principals in farming.


Agroecology promotes farming practices that;

• Mitigate climate change - reducing emissions, recycling resources and prioritising local supply chains.
• Work with wildlife - managing the impact of farming on wildlife and harnessing nature to do the hard work for us, such as pollinating crops and controlling pests.
• Put farmers and communities in the driving seat - they give power to approaches led by local people and adapt agricultural techniques to suit the local area - and its specific social, environmental and economic conditions.

I can't believe none us rabid meat eaters haven't considered and discussed this approach.

 

[Funky_monks]

I can't believe none us rabid meat eaters haven't considered and discussed this approach.

Its lucky we have people without any semblance of a fucking clue to tell us how we should be farming.

 

[panpete]

I can take it or leave it, I won't miss meat.
I'd have to know what vitamins and nutrients I would be missing so I could make up for them.

 

[Funky_monks]

"A 12% switch from monogastric to ruminant livestock production can reduce emissions and boost crop production for 525 million people"

Published in "Nature"

 

[bcuster]

"A 12% switch from monogastric to ruminant livestock production can reduce emissions and boost crop production for 525 million people"

Published in "Nature"

It's a start in the right direction. I wish an enlightened human species, including myself, consumed no flesh. I'm happy this is issue is being thoughtfully considered here.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's a start in the right direction. I wish an enlightened human species, including myself, consumed no flesh. I'm happy this is issue is being thoughtfully considered here.

I think you may have misunderstood. It's suggesting that the solution we are looking for is more cows and sheep.

 

[bcuster]

I think you may have misunderstood. It's suggesting that the solution we are looking for is more cows and sheep.

Is a cow monogastric?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Is a cow monogastric?

No. A cow is a ruminant. Monogastric is stuff like chickens and pigs (and humans).

One of the main points of the article is that ruminants can digest stuff (grass) that monogastrics can't. FM's mentioned this before.

 

[Funky_monks]

No. A cow is a ruminant. Monogastric is stuff like chickens and pigs (and humans).

One of the main points of the article is that ruminants can digest stuff (grass) that monogastrics can't. FM's mentioned this before.

Also, this is very interesting for understanding baselines - grassland with wild grazers emits more methane (just) than with pastoralism: Comparable GHG emissions from animals in wildlife and livestock-dominated savannas - npj Climate and Atmospheric Science

 

[bcuster]

California takes a drastic step:

 

[friedaweed]

California takes a drastic step:

A positive move but a bit like bolting the stable door...etc, etc.

Continued commercial over fishing will have already made too big a dent I suspect. Wild pacific salmon is on the shelf in a tin in most UK supermarkets and I suspect a large part of the world. It's also unfortunately the the favoured alternative to farmed salmon for a lot of people, same with Alaskan . Warming seas and polluted rivers wont help the fish recover with just one closed season, it needs a much bigger multifaceted approach to improve those fish stocks. Just like ours really.

They can bounce back from overfishing and several species of salmon have made recoveries along that coast over the decades. If you look at the wiki for sockeye salmon numbers have dropped to critical and recovered but there are new contributors to the problems facing stocks now and not just overfishing.

This explains the different species of salmon that are fished up that Northwest Coast to Alaska.

SALMON - PACIFIC

This is one of three Fishopedia entries on salmon. The others are Atlantic salmon and farmed salmon. The entry on Atlantic salmon includes a…

www.thefishsociety.co.uk

The chinook Salmon stocks seems to be taking a serious hit at the moment as far up as Alaska. See the table on this link.

State of Alaska: Fish Stocks of Concern, Alaska Department of Fish and Game

State of Alaska fish stocks of concern, including yield concern, management concern, and conservation concern.

www.adfg.alaska.gov

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Oh, FFS, I don't want to my package of dead animal to look unappetising and am happy to just destroy the environment that little bit more... Sainsbury’s shoppers criticise ‘vile’ mince vac-packs aimed at reducing plastic

 

[bcuster]

I use this recipe regularly now:

Grilled Cabbage “Steaks” Recipe

Skip the sirloin and head straight for the cabbage.

getpocket.com

 

[editor]

Oh, FFS, I don't want to my package of dead animal to look unappetising and am happy to just destroy the environment that little bit more... Sainsbury’s shoppers criticise ‘vile’ mince vac-packs aimed at reducing plastic

They'd probably find it a whole load more unappetising if the packaging showed the slab of dead animal got to be in that little package.

 

[butcher]

Oh, FFS, I don't want to my package of dead animal to look unappetising and am happy to just destroy the environment that little bit more... Sainsbury’s shoppers criticise ‘vile’ mince vac-packs aimed at reducing plastic

Obviously not for the customers benefit, just the supermarkets.

 

[butcher]

They'd probably find it a whole load more unappetising if the packaging showed the slab of dead animal got to be in that little package.

I think you will find that a lot of packing for meat features animals.

Not many packages feature vegetables being grown in animal shit though.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They'd probably find it a whole load more unappetising if the packaging showed the slab of dead animal got to be in that little package.

There's an unhealthy disconnect between people and the food they eat in our society, for sure.

But people know they're buying a 'slab of dead animal'. That's not quite the gotcha you think it is - we don't all share your disgust reaction to the idea of eating animals.

 

[editor]

I think you will find that a lot of packing for meat features animals.

Way to miss the point, which is: it doesn't feature them being slaughtered or being sliced up though, does it?

 

[butcher]

Way to miss the point, which is: it doesn't feature them being slaughtered or being sliced up though, does it?

I got the point, just weary of you.

 

[friedaweed]

I got the point, just weary of you.

Bit like talking to a 14 year old in 1985 who's wearing a Smiths tee-shirt. Or worse still Morrissey himself now.

Meat is Murder man, why can't you just cry for Bambi like me whilst I fly around the US with my ageing dad band.

 

[friedaweed]

Oh, FFS, I don't want to my package of dead animal to look unappetising and am happy to just destroy the environment that little bit more... Sainsbury’s shoppers criticise ‘vile’ mince vac-packs aimed at reducing plastic

Don't mince your words Johnny.