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Myanmar Rejects UN Call for Negotiations
YANGON, Myanmar (AP) — Myanmar's military junta rejected a U.N. statement calling for negotiations with the opposition, insisting Friday that it would follow its own plan to bring democracy to the country.

The impoverished country's main opposition party, however, urged the ruling generals to comply with U.N. demands for negotiations with pro-democracy forces and ethnic minorities, and the release of political prisoners.

State-run TV and radio issued a statement Friday arguing that conditions inside Myanmar — a reference to the anti-government protests that were violently suppressed by troops on Sept. 26 and 27 — were not the concern of the outside world.

"Myanmar's current situation does not affect regional and international stability," said the statement, attributed to Col. Thant Shin. "However, we deeply regret that the U.N. Security Council has issued a statement contrary to the people's desires."

"The government of Myanmar will continue to implement the seven-step roadmap together with the people," the statement said, referring to the junta's plan that promises a new constitution and an eventual transition to democratic rule.

The process is supposed to culminate in a general election at an unspecified date in the future. But so far only the first stage — drawing up guidelines for a new constitution — has been completed, and critics say the convention that drafted them was stage-managed by the military.

Top opposition party the National League for Democracy — led by the detained activist Aung San Suu Kyi — endorsed the Security Council statement.

"Since Myanmar is a member country of the United Nations and as the government has declared it would work with the U.N., we earnestly underscore the need to urgently implement the demands made by the Security Council," the NLD said.

The 15-member Security Council issued its first statement on Myanmar on Thursday in an attempt to pressure the military rulers — in charge of the isolated country since 1988 — to negotiate with the opposition and move toward democracy.

The fourth-ranking member of the junta, Prime Minister Gen. Soe Win, 59, died Friday in a military hospital after a long illness, relatives and state media said. Soe Win reputedly oversaw a 2003 attack on Suu Kyi from which she escaped unscathed.

His death, however, was unlikely to cause a ripple in the regime's grip on power. Soe Win had little if any influence in policy-making as prime minister.

The U.N.'s special envoy to Myanmar, Ibrahim Gambari, was due in the region this weekend "with a view to returning to Myanmar shortly thereafter," U.N. deputy spokeswoman Marie Okabe said. She gave no date for his trip to Yangon.

Gambari met with the junta's leaders earlier this month during a four-day trip to Myanmar after troops opened fire on peaceful protests in Yangon. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said after Gambari's visit that he could not call the trip "a success."

Myanmar's military junta has said 10 people were killed and nearly 2,100 arrested in last month's demonstrations, with 700 later released. Diplomats and dissidents say the death toll is likely much higher and up to 6,000 people were seized, including thousands of monks who led the rallies.

At least a dozen freed prisoners described brutal treatment at detention centers, including one who said "dozens" of detainees were killed, the Democratic Voice of Burma, a Norway-based short-wave radio station and Web site run by dissident journalists, said in a report Thursday.

There was no way to independently confirm the reports attributed to freed prisoners.

In an interview with The Associated Press, another released prisoner, Zaw Myint, 45, said he was arrested Sept. 26 on a Yangon street after a soldier bashed his face with the butt of his gun, leaving a bloody gash across his cheek.

Zaw Myint said he was denied treatment for three days then stitched up by a doctor at Yangon's notorious Insein prison, after the physician had treated several other wounded prisoners.

"He used the same needle to treat all patients. And I saw him give injections to wounded people using the same syringe," said Zaw Myint, who was released after a week in custody. He said was "extremely worried" about having contracted HIV as a result of the treatment. Rights groups say Myanmar's prisons have soaring rates of HIV-AIDS.

Human rights groups have long accused the military government of abuse and torture of prisoners. The Thailand-based Assistance Association for Political Prisoners, comprised of around 100 former inmates, has put out a report describing homosexual rape, electric shocks to the genitals, near drowning, burning with hot wax and other abuse.

Also Friday, Thai police said a bomb exploded in a guesthouse just across the border inside Myanmar, injuring two people. Col. Photsawat Tangchui, a police chief in the border district of Mae Sot in Tak province, said the blast hit the Shwebyisaya hotel, about 30 yards from the border.


(from http://ko-htike.blogspot.com)
 
Some mild sanctions. BBC story.

Japan is halting $4.7m (£2.3m) in funding for a human resources centre in Burma, as economic pressure mounts on the military government there.

But just how much pressure?
Earlier on Monday, the European Union agreed new punitive measures against Burma.

On top of a travel ban and a freeze on assets, Burma's generals now face fresh embargoes on some of their more lucrative exports - including jade, rubies and teak.

However, correspondents say, European sanctions have had practically no impact on Burma, as more than 90% of the country's trade is with its Asian neighbours.
 
So we have a sanction which will hurt those who need it most, and another sanction which will have next to zero effect on anybody.

I bet the generals are well happy.
 
They're still arresting people.
BBC link

But even sadder:
But Burma's largest trading allies, China and India, have not taken similar steps, and on Tuesday Malaysian Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said there would be no threat of sanctions or suspension from the Association of South East Nations (Asean).
Looks like for Asean it's business as usual and hope the world forgets all about it. Not exactly a major surprise.
 
^^^I'm cross-posting this as it's rather relevant
lewislewis said:
Thought this might also be appreciated:

"MEPs from Plaid Cymru and the Scottish National Party have expressed their deep concern at the European Commission's failure to suspend a contract with Total Oil in the light of the company's operations in Burma.

They have tabled a parliamentary question calling for the current contract with Total to be reconsidered and for ethical considerations to be built into future public contracts with EU institutions.

At present, Total Oil is the holder of the inter-institutional contract for fuelling all official vehicles of the European institutions.

It also holds the contract for fuelling all official vehicles of the Belgian federal administration. The Belgian secretary of state for sustainable development has asked for the contract to be suspended but is hampered by EU rules on public procurement that are lukewarm on ethical criteria for awarding public contracts. "

I'm not really bothered about 'deep concern' but if the Parliament votes in favour of suspending the contract, that'd be a blow to Total and maybe would encourage them to pull out of Burma.
Surely there's a lot of potential leverage here?

original post
 
http://www.irrawaddy.org/article.php?art_id=9040

This is a grim summary about the state of the economy in Burma. Remember that this is in Rangoon: go beyond the main city and you'll find the situation a whole lot worse. For me, it also illustrates the consequences of knee-jerk reactions to the situation in Burma and the flip-side of a poorly designed sanctions regime.

Keep in mind that, like Zimbabwe, Burma was once the most promising country in the region. Now look at the fucking state of it.
 
ahh but you dont understand, it already is democractic, so theres no reason to complain, just because it is more discipined than other democracies! dont go enforcing western ideas on other countries :mad:

:( :mad:
 
frogwoman said:
Just makes me wonder why it wasn't done before. Unless they keep these options up their sleeve for this very purpose.

The senior British diplomat noted that there was a profound sense of trauma among the wider Burmese population.

It was hard, he said, for outsiders to understand the scale of the insult that had been delivered to the monks which had created huge underlying pressures in the country despite the security crackdown.
It's this that knots me up again and again :mad: :( :mad:
 
Sounds weird eh, but there are hard fast social conventions and superstitions about male / female clothes. I remember one of my friends telling me about the time she was angry at her husband for something, she got back at him by wearing his favourite longyi so when he next wore it he'd have no power.

:confused: :D :eek: :p :cool:
 
purves grundy said:
Sounds weird eh, but there are hard fast social conventions and superstitions about male / female clothes. I remember one of my friends telling me about the time she was angry at her husband for something, she got back at him by wearing his favourite longyi so when he next wore it he'd have no power.

:confused: :D :eek: :p :cool:


It's rather annoying that it's called Panties for Peace rather than Knickers but I doubt the Burmese give a shit what they're called

Does it make a difference whether they're clean or dirty?
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Does it make a difference whether they're clean or dirty?
Nah, no difference, but I reckon clean would be better - some colossal pervs in the upper ranks and we wouldn't them getting kicks out of this. Nothing to stop you spreading a bit of Nutella on the gusset though :p
 
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8,000th post indulgence
 
Front page of the SCMP today says that the United States (through one of its govt. funded agencies) tained Burmese monks (in Thailand,) in how to protest, prevent infiltration, use mobiles and the internet effectively, etc. and supported them in launching the protests.


This won't go down well in the region.


:(


Woof
 
I think training local people how to organise & maintain pro-democracy protest actions is exactly what the US should be doing.
 
Jessiedog said:
Front page of the SCMP today says that the United States (through one of its govt. funded agencies) tained Burmese monks (in Thailand,) in how to protest, prevent infiltration, use mobiles and the internet effectively, etc. and supported them in launching the protests.
Can't read the article as it's a pay site. Be good to have a bit more info on the story, jd :)

What I will say is that you'd be surprised at how many foreign agencies provide education and training programs for Burmese students both within Burma and on the Thai border. Some of these programs are aimed at specific groups of students - members of ethnic organizations, youth members of the opposition, monks working out in community schools. It's one of the most constructive ways that the outside world's development funds can be spent in Burma. Organizations running such programs are frequently accused by the government and its friends of meddling in internal affairs, destabilising the state, supporting terrorists etc.

TAE said:
I think training local people how to organise & maintain pro-democracy protest actions is exactly what the US should be doing.
Indeedy.
 
A curfew was also lifted in Mandalay, in an apparent return to normal life
I hate seeing references to 'calm' and 'return to normal' in these reports, as if it's something we should be relieved to hear. Calm and normality in Burma indicates nothing less than unrelenting, all-pervasive state repression.
 
purves grundy said:
I hate seeing references to 'calm' and 'return to normal' in these reports, as if it's something we should be relieved to hear. Calm and normality in Burma indicates nothing less than unrelenting, all-pervasive state repression.
Yeah I know :( :(

the bbc is shit though ... it cares more about appearing to be "balanced" than actually reporting the truth ...
 
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