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burma - potential uprising?

free spirit said:
yeah I've got one up on our site now, but at a time when the burmese military is desperately trying to shut down all media outlets for news on what's going on in burma, it just seems to be playing into their hands to be effectively shutting down most of the sympathetic blogs for a day.

There could be some logic behind this somewhere, but I can't see it.
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OK, yeah. Sorry, I get you. I've wondered what the plans for the Burma resistance blogs are; whether they'll carry news still? It's not like the mainstream media are carrying any news that isn't confirmed by more mainstream sources anyway - they're burning protesters alive just like they did in 1988 and not a fucking peep from the media about it.

I suppose it's like a virtual march - everyone could probably be doing more useful things with their time, but if there is a need to make it politically more acceptable to act rather than not act then a big show of numbers occasionally is important too? (Not that I'm a fan of marching for the sake of it, but it has its uses from time to time.)

Plus, there must be a majority of bloggers who would join the action but not blog much about Burma.
 
Ko Htike is reporting other news stories - i think the resistance bloggers all are. The idea was to shut down sympathetic blogs which don't blog much about Burma.

http://ko-htike.blogspot.com (WARNING - VERY DISTURBING IMAGE)


No words ...

:( :mad: :eek: :mad: :(
 
i have an (online) mate who's a hacker, could ask him to do it ... he's not online now unfortunately :( x
 
E-mail or PM 'em!

The internet-based revolution is go!

Anyone know any progressive hacker sites? :D
 
i don't have his email unfortunately :( oh well, i'm sure i could ask someone in a chatroom or something ...
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7028360.stm

Burma's military leader, Gen Than Shwe, has agreed in principle to meet the detained pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, state media has reported.

In return she must drop her support for international sanctions and abandon her confrontational attitude, it said.

It is the first time during his 15-year rule that Gen Shwe has indicated he may be ready for dialogue with Suu Kyi.

State media also say 2,093 people were arrested during the recent crackdown on anti-government protests.

It said 692 people had already been released after signing a declaration that they would not take part in any future rallies.

"Among the arrested there were protesters, their supporters, and some bystanders. Although they were bystanders, they broke the law" that bans gatherings of more than five people, state television said.

However, BBC sources in Burma say as many as 10,000 people - many of them monks who led the demos - have been rounded up for interrogation in recent days.

Security forces are said to be using video recordings of the demonstrations to compile lists of activists for arrest.
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What do you think of this, Purves?
 
frogwoman said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7028360.stm



What do you think of this, Purves?
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What sort of twat would murder hundreds of his own people and detain thousands more, then have the nerve to demand that a woman under house arrest needs to stop being confrontational? Of course, we know he isn't human at all. :mad:

I see this as a cynical ploy by a junta desperate to appease their paymasters and salvage an iota of legitimacy for themselves by doing the very minimum reqiured. I wonder if it's also a way of Than Shwe sidestepping Maung Aye, thus heading off any rebellion in the ranks should one have been brewing?

What will ASSK say? I'm sure she'll welcome any chance to get her country out of this dreadful situation, but she knows the junta's tricks as well as anybody. She'll reiterate her party's modest demands - inclusive and substantial dialogue, release of political prisoners - and that's probably what Than Shwe means by being confrontational. If this is to go anywhere, it'll no doubt require the UN or a neutral party involved.

If this is something meaningful, why did Ban Ki Moon say he couldn't describe Gambari's visit as a success? I suppose we'll have to wait until Gambari's made his full address to the SC tomorrow, but I've a feeling think we're going to be disappointed.

I dunno... are you holding your breath?
 
Wahey!

Burma’s monks start to fight back
Some who have escaped are enlisting in armed resistance groups, writes edward loxton

Many monks who escaped arrest in the junta's crackdown on mass demonstrations in Rangoon and Mandalay are returning to villages in ethnic areas and joining armed resistance groups.


Much much more!!!: http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=8973 :D
 
Ibrahim Gambari has reported to the UN security council.
BBC very brief report
Ibrahim Gambari warned Burma's military rulers their actions could have "serious international repercussions".
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If he's talking in terms of the UN, I very much doubt it, at least while China and Russia's vetos remain in place. :mad:
 
i feel sick , that we went to iraq on a tissue of lies, and yet when people really need help we are powerless ... we cant do shit.
 
The Iraqi people did need help, just not from the fucking USuk thieves who put Saddam in to begin with and undermined their efforts to overthrow him themselves. The Burmese people do need help but the neo-liberal adventurism elsewhere leaves USuk powerless to intervene.

Fuck it. Let's get Burma free and then all march on our capitals to depose the stupid greedy fuckwits. Worldwide revolution; 6 billion people can't be wrong. :mad:
 
Pressure is mounting. Calls from Refugee International, Reporters Sans Frontieres, Gambari and a bunch of ambassadorial types below (all within the last 2 hours on newsnow):

http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/7689
http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-10-05-voa62.cfm?rss=politics
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/1005/breaking84.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7030907.stm


NLD and DASSK have, predictably, refused to take the gagging deal (3rd link, ireland.com). :)


Plus it looks like China is going to be forced to veto UN action if it wants to carry on supporting the Junta. Tricky. ;)
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22540383-12335,00.html
 
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=44&ItemID=13947
TThe original pipeline partner, Unocal, was sued by EarthRights International for the use of slave labor. As soon as the suit was settled out of court, Chevron bought Unocal.

Chevron’s role in propping up the brutal regime in Burma is clear. According to Marco Simons, U.S. legal director at EarthRights International: “Sanctions haven’t worked because gas is the lifeline of the regime. Before Yadana went online, Burma’s regime was facing severe shortages of currency. It’s really Yadana and gas projects that kept the military regime afloat to buy arms and ammunition and pay its soldiers.”

The U.S. government has had sanctions in place against Burma since 1997. A loophole exists, though, for companies grandfathered in. Unocal’s exemption from the Burma sanctions has been passed on to its new owner, Chevron.

Rice served on the Chevron board of directors for a decade. She even had a Chevron oil tanker named after her. While she served on the board, Chevron was sued for involvement in the killing of nonviolent protesters in the Niger Delta region of Nigeria. Like the Burmese, Nigerians suffer political repression and pollution where oil and gas are extracted and they live in dire poverty.
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FFS! What is the point of sanctions if you give grandaddy rights to the vultures already feeding there?

I DEMAND global revolution fucking NOW. :mad:
 
those poor people. :( everything i hear about those filthy fucking junta scum it just makes me want to cry. i think that shooting at peaceful demonstrators is one of the worst acts one can possibly do.

and i know all about what's going on in the niger delta. The people who are there have my utmost sympathy. They only got into the news as "terrorists" taking hostages because one or tow of them were stupid/callous enough to kidnap someone's five year old kid and now they are all automatically labelled as terrorists.

ymu - someone commented on Indymedia and brought up an interesting point about the hacking, saying that if the junta websites were hacked by pro-burmese protestors outside burma, then the junta would probably come down extra hard in reataliation.

what do you think of that, i am starting to think hacking might not be such a good idea due to the consequences it might have for the people inside.
 
It's a fair point. I'm not sure it could make a difference, given that they're already rounding up protesters from their houses and detaining at least 4000 (they told Gambari they'd released 2000+, not sure how/if he checked this before reporting to the UN).

The idea, I guess, is not only to give the resistance access to the internet but also to make the Junta a political embarrassment to China.

Dunno. I ain't a techie and I have no idea how hackers go about this kind of political project (or the risks to them as individuals). Hopefully, if someone does it they'll have thought it all through...
 
They speak with forked tongue's if they said they released 2000+ that's more than what they said they arrested in the first place ... and i think he knows it ... he criticised them heavily ... but he cant do anything ... :(

everyone can see they are lying and know the scum for what they are ... but what difference will it make?? :( some people have known for years ... including gambari, it seems :(
 
There's 6000+ reported arrested by Gambari to the UN IIRC. That is the latest estimate I saw anyway (think it was from a Gambari/UN report).

On the hacker thing, I just checked indymedia and the guy who made the point originally said that hacking caused the IDF to shut down Palestinian internet cafes. He only got hysterical about it when someone pointed out that Burma has no legal internet access and he was making an invalid comparison between very different conflicts. It's a testosterone thing. ;)

Don't panic. :)
 
ok right cool ... so they wouldn't come down extra hard on them because of it then? I would hate to be responsible for soemthing like that. Even though it on the face of it seems a good idea.

I suppose like ... if they just spammed with stupid shit and not political messages, like i dunno "you've been pwned by haXX0rz" that sort of shit rather than anything anti-junta then they wouldn't be able to prove that it was protesters that did it and woudln't even be able to link it to anything would they??

I would just hate to be responsible for somethin awful like that !! x
 

Lots of other goodies posted by the same user. Not watched this yet, but tracked down all 5 parts:

 
WTF?? All those fucking enormous swimming pools, big enough to be seen from space ffs. they make me sick ... WTF????
 
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