British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Her lawyers seem to be raising a doubt as to whether she actually had it, or merely had the potential to claim it.

What I'm suggesting is that, according to the BBC article I've quoted, the law about removing British citizenship appears not to require anyone to actually hold alternate citizenship, merely to have the option of claiming it, thus rendering her lawyers' argument irrelevant.

But I guess we'll have to wait and see what the court decides

Is not her argument less about the technicalities of whether she was Bangladeshi or not at the time, but rather whether she was a victim of child-sex-trafficking?

 

[cupid_stunt]

The appeal has been rejected.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Nonsense!

Anyway, the appeal has been dismissed, as some of us said it would be.

Good, and fuck her.

Supreme Court here we come.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Good, and fuck her.

Supreme Court here we come.

She's already appealed to the Supreme Court, and lost.

 

[Spymaster]

Is not her argument less about the technicalities of whether she was Bangladeshi or not at the time, but rather whether she was a victim of child-sex-trafficking?

That was the problem.

The appeal hearing was about whether or not the stripping of citizenship was lawful. NOT about whether or not she was trafficked.

Being trafficked (which she wasn't anyway) has nothing to do with whether or not stripping her citizenship made her stateless.

It's like getting done for speeding and appealing on the grounds that you had a tough childhood. It's not a valid appeal ground.

 

[Spymaster]

She's already appealed to the Supreme Court, and lost.

Correct. This should be the end of the matter.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

She's already appealed to the Supreme Court, and lost.

Apparently it can go back there though.

Then take it on tour to Europe too.

This thread's got plenty of legs yet.

 

[teqniq]

Being trafficked (which she wasn't anyway)

Neither you nor I know this with 100% certainty.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's a rotten ruling that sets a horrible precedent. Be careful what you wish for when the state exercises arbitrary power like this and it is validated by courts. Cheering it on because you don't like the individual involved is foolish.

 

[Spymaster]

It's a rotten ruling that sets a horrible precedent. Be careful what you wish for when the state exercises arbitrary power like this and it is validated by courts. Cheering it on because you don't like the individual involved is foolish.

It's the only ruling they could have legally come to.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

It's a rotten ruling that sets a horrible precedent. Be careful what you wish for when the state exercises arbitrary power like this and it is validated by courts. Cheering it on because you don't like the individual involved is foolish.

Yep, if you have any parentage from another country you're now effectively a second class citizen.

 

[Spymaster]

Yep, if you have any parentage from another country you're now effectively a second class citizen.

Incorrect. As already discussed many times on this thread.

 

[kebabking]

Yep, if you have any parentage from another country you're now effectively a second class citizen.

More nuanced than that - I'm a dual citizen, I have more rights and opportunities than my neighbour who isn't, but those rights also come with downsides.

In this case, the debate is skewed by the fact that her other country is Bangladesh - which isn't high on most people's 'places I want to move to' list - but if it was New Zealand, or Finland, or Switzerland, would there be so much wailing and gnashing of teeth, or would be a bit more lucky fucker...?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

More nuanced than that - I'm a dual citizen, I have more rights and opportunities than my neighbour who isn't, but those rights also come with downsides.

Yes, it's far more nuanced that that. You can be considered a dual citizen by the UK despite having no idea that you are. Based simply on your parents' place of birth.

It is divisive, racist and rotten.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

More nuanced than that - I'm a dual citizen, I have more rights and opportunities than my neighbour who isn't, but those rights also come with downsides.

In this case, the debate is skewed by the fact that her other country is Bangladesh - which isn't high on most people's 'places I want to move to' list - but if it was New Zealand, or Finland, or Switzerland, would there be so much wailing and gnashing of teeth, or would be a bit more lucky fucker...?

I’m guessing a Caliphate run by organised rapist fascists wouldn’t be high up either, but here we are.

 

[xenon]

Ah and around we go again.

 

[BusLanes]

Iic Bangladesh denied she was a dual national.

Dual nationals are luckier than most but that still should not mean that a British minister can simply declare that someone who was born here but her parents were not is no longer a citizen.

There should be some sort of hard process, if at all.

 

[Spymaster]

You can be considered a dual citizen by the UK despite having no idea that you are. Based simply on your parents' place of birth.

She's considered a dual citizen by the laws of two countries (as multiple courts keep finding) and it would never be an issue if she hadn't joined an international genocidal rapist cult.

 

[Spymaster]

Iic Bangladesh denied she was a dual national.

Dual nationals are luckier than most but that still should not mean that a British minister can simply declare that someone who was born here but her parents were not is no longer a citizen.

There should be some sort of hard process, if at all.

There is a process backed by a robust appeals system, which has now ruled against Begum three times.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

You’ve gotta feel for her though. We’ve all done daft stuff in our teens to piss off our parents. Just not quite as extreme.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

And if she'd done it in her 20s, they wouldn't have been able to strip her of citizenship. It stinks from many different angles.

 

[teqniq]

It appears to me to be motivated by racism, that and if the involvement of western intelligence agencies are true, a cover-up. I note that people who are going out to fight in the IDF are not being prosecuted on their return

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Regardless of its motivation, this ruling is racist in that it treats people differently depending on their ethnicity. And it is also age discrimination as it only applies to under-21s.

Anyone cheering this on needs to have a word with themselves.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

It appears to me to be motivated by racism, that and if the involvement of western intelligence agencies are true, a cover-up. I note that people who are going out to fight in the IDF are not being prosecuted on their return

It isn’t really comparable as, repugnant that they are, the IDF aren’t a proscribed organisation and also not in conflict with the west.
It’s a pretty unique situation as most kids don’t embark on a bit of gap year fascism.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Regardless of its motivation, this ruling is racist in that it treats people differently depending on their ethnicity. And it is also age discrimination as it only applies to under-21s.

Anyone cheering this on needs to have a word with themselves.

I just can’t get past the idea that if it was Tommy Robinson who had joined a fascist rape cult and then ended up stateless, nobody here would give a flying fuck.

 

[Serge Forward]

This thread

As old Dostoyevsky sez:

A society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens but by how it treats its criminals.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I just can’t get past the idea that if it was Tommy Robinson who had joined a fascist rape cult and then ended up stateless, nobody here would give a flying fuck.

I've already said on here that what Begum did is despicable, and I would want her to face a jail term upon returning and to be closely monitored when released.

For me at least, this isn't really about sympathy for Begum the individual, it is about standing up to the arbitrary use of power by the British government in a way that is effectively racist.

 

[Serge Forward]

I just can’t get past the idea that if it was Tommy Robinson who had joined a fascist rape cult and then ended up stateless, nobody here would give a flying fuck.

Straw man that. I doubt many on here give a fuck about Begum or Robinson. But I suspect they do give a fuck about empowering the State to deny citizenship/rights arbitrarily.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Some absolutely vintage Magnus McGinty disingenuous bollocks here.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I just can’t get past the idea that if it was Tommy Robinson who had joined a fascist rape cult and then ended up stateless, nobody here would give a flying fuck.

Tommeh's Irish anyway, so all we could do is send him there and he'd come straight back cos Common Travel Area.