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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't 9 months a kinda special sentence i.e. it allows a judge to ensure max time served with minimum chance of early release ? I know this was the case years ago when a 9'er was rather less welcomed than an 12'er
 
you have chosen a very strange thing to fight over and then introduced arguments which don't support the notion that you've given this much thought

As far as I can tell, the modern left do more to aid the far right than stunt it. This thread hasn’t convinced me that I’m wrong on that point.
The far right in Europe are growing. Perhaps now is the time to question what’s being done wrong?
*handing BF a propaganda victory is placed within the context above ^^
 
As far as I can tell, the modern left do more to aid the far right than stunt it. This thread hasn’t convinced me that I’m wrong on that point.
The far right in Europe are growing. Perhaps now is the time to question what’s being done wrong?
*handing BF a propaganda victory is placed within the context above ^^
when you say 'the modern left' you're less than specific. do you mean the likes of the afn? of uaf? of the labour party? all of the modern left?
 
I’m not ‘losing’ :D - I’ve made my points and I stand by them. I can leave it at that.

I become less arsed when it’s just some pile on with twats with an axe to grind. Enjoy your weekend.

I know I’m on the right side of the debate if my opponents are Rutita, Ddraig and Andy Says. :D

Is that it? Is that all you've got? :facepalm:

You've proved yourself to be a complete tit on this thread as well as others and the only good thing about this is more and more posters are now wise to this fucked up agenda you have developed over recent years.

Your arguments are all over the place and every time you get called on it you scream 'pile on/liberals/IDpolitickers'. You are doing fuck all other than arguing fash arguments and then getting all sulky, taking your ball home and blaming every one else when it's pointed out to you.

Utterly depressing.
 
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Is that it? Is that all you've got? :facepalm:

You've proved yourself to be a complete tit on this thread as well as others and the only good thing about this is more and more posters are now wise to this fucked up agenda you have developed over recent years.

Your arguments are all over the place and every time you get called on it you scream 'pile on/liberals/IDpolitickers'. You are doing fuck all other than arguing fash arguments and then getting all sulky, taking your ball home and blaming every one else when it's pointed out to you.

Utter depressing.

There’s a select few who think this and they are idpol/liberals. Funny coincidence ey?
 
Being a victim of racism is not about single isolated incidents, however unpleasant they may be. Racism is a constant presence, that impacts people's lives in a multitude of ways. I realised that while I (a white English person in Britain) could be a victim of a racially motivated attack, I cannot experience racism. There is a qualitative difference between the two
When I was young, a group of asian youths set on me and a mate for having the audacity of hanging round on a street corner waiting for the cinema to open. We're both white.

At the same time, I've had asian mates had hassle for going out drinking in the whitebred town where I grew up.

These aren't 'isolated incidents'. People form communities and some of these communities have active anti-social elements in them that want to attack and expel each other. Regardless of wider systemic racism.

A white person living alongside a large ethnic minority community, rightly might not feel they are a victim of an atomised incident, but are regularly encountering tensions that exist between both communities.
While a race attack, for example - white on black, might have qualitatively different dimensions than the other way round, if a white person is targeted for being white and being in a particular location or neighbourhood, it wouldn't go amiss if that person spoke in terms of encountering racism.
 
They’re unconnected to identity?
You can be against a form of politics that sees the world as merely a set of competing identities of varying privileges, and still believe in the need to fight racism and homophobia etc ffs.

You are using the words identity politics to deny the legitimacy of any struggle involving a minority group and you do it in thread after thread. It's either sheer ignorance or something more sinister imo.
 
Identity isn't the same thing as identity politics.

Yes but these things don’t exist in a vacuum and it’s long been accepted that neoliberalism has co-opted identity politics as it’s able to dole out equality on that basis (whilst economic inequality widens).
 
You can be against a form of politics that sees the world as merely a set of competing identities of varying privileges, and still believe in the need to fight racism and homophobia etc ffs.

You are using the words identity politics to deny the legitimacy of any struggle involving a minority group and you do it in thread after thread. It's either sheer ignorance or something more sinister imo.

I don’t agree with using the state as a vehicle for anti-racism - and there ought not to be anything controversial about that position.
 
I don’t agree with using the state as a vehicle for anti-racism - and there ought not to be anything controversial about that position.
so in the case of regina v golding and fransen you think that regina is some sort of anti-racist? :D

who is using the state as a vehicle for anti-racism? answers on a postcard pls.
 
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