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who *here* is making the argument that anti-racists should use the state to smite fascists?
Britain First
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I was clarifying my own position.
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by inspired use of the auld strawman
Well there is a bit of a conundrum between arguing for tough sentencing whilst arguing that the state shouldn’t be used as a vehicle for anti-racism. But nothing surprises me here nowadays.
The Pale King
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Seems a bit harsh this - Jonathon Franzen's fiction's not that bad...
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
More of a whataboutery spiral of tedious ennui...
donkyboy
Crazy Cat/Fox man
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do you know what, i think i will
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it's a downward spiral and there's no way out
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
True, but I do get a bit worried that there might be some non mouth-breathing hard-right Tory out there somewhere who might do a "Norsefire".
Treacle Toes
Time
Arrests over racist chants at university
The nonsense on this thread argues that these arseholes should just be reprimanded for singing out of tune in an intimidating way lest we have to endure the wrath of other racist fuckwits because how very dare the state/society recognise racism as a influencing factor of abuse/harrassment.
The nonsense on this thread argues that these arseholes should just be reprimanded for singing out of tune in an intimidating way lest we have to endure the wrath of other racist fuckwits because how very dare the state/society recognise racism as a influencing factor of abuse/harrassment.
Thimble Queen
Called away to another place
Oh Ruti come on they weren't even racist. Just stupid first years playing up!
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I can just imagine that you would be the kind of person who, if the boot were on the other foot, would be saying "play the ball, not the man"I know I’m on the right side of the debate if my opponents are Rutita, Ddraig and Andy Says.
I can just imagine that you would be the kind of person who, if the boot were on the other foot, would be saying "play the ball, not the man"
If you can find where Ive ever said that I’ll give you a tenner.
I think each iteration of these movements whether they succeed or fail pave the way for the next.
I don't think so. This may have been the case in the early days of releases on tag, but the guidelines now are that release on a tag is available for sentences of between 3 months and 4 years - so in theory, a 36 week sentence means you'll be eligible for such after 9 weeks, rather than after 3 months for a 12 month sentence.
Without a tag release, you'll be released on probation at the 50% point of your sentence (for relatively short determinate sentences like these). Sentences of 12 months+ are served on license with active supervisation by the Parole Service, while those under 12 months aren't actively supervised. So, a 36 week sentence in this situation not only means an earlier release, but less subsequent grief dealing with probation.
It was dealt with in a Magistrates' Court, meaning a max sentence of 6 months (per charge - Fransen's longer sentence is due to the 3 convictions not being treated as a single offence). With the aggravating factor, it could have been sent to Crown Court for trial, where the maximum would be 2 years per charge. So, it does seem that the CPS were happy to aim for sentences at the lower end of the potential scale, for whatever reason.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Avoids the trouble/risk of a jury trial which would be unlikely to end in a greater sentence on conviction in any case.
Fozzie Bear
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not to mention the higher legal costs
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iirc magistrates can refer to crown court for sentencing if they feel they can't impose a suitable sentence: i await confirmation/correction
not-bono-ever
meh
How long until analogues of BF popup?
Fozzie Bear
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Probably not long at all - so we won't have long to wait to see if this is Facebook turning a corner or if it's simply a bit of PR.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Britain First leader has 'nose broken' in prison attack
The leader of the the far-right group Britain First has been attacked in prison less than a week after being jailed for abusing Muslims .
Paul Golding , 36, was beaten up in HMP Elmley on the Isle of Sheppey in Kent on Wednesday by two inmates who are believed to have left him with a suspected broken nose.
Police are now understood to be investigating the alleged attack.
The leader of the the far-right group Britain First has been attacked in prison less than a week after being jailed for abusing Muslims .
Paul Golding , 36, was beaten up in HMP Elmley on the Isle of Sheppey in Kent on Wednesday by two inmates who are believed to have left him with a suspected broken nose.
Police are now understood to be investigating the alleged attack.
steveo87
22/11/2022 - got a maths joke.
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Yes, you're right - "either way" offences can be dealt with at either magistrates' or Crown court, depending on the specifics, but will start with an appearance at a magistrates' court. If the defendant pleads guilty at this appearance, the magistrate can decide to commit to Crown Court for sentencing if they believe the offence warrants a stiffer sentence than they can impose.
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