toblerone3
Grrrrr
There is a cultural side to the EU. We could suffer in terms of Eurovision votes if we withdrew.
Brexit or Bremain - Urban votes
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toblerone3
Grrrrr
but fortunately membership of the European Television Union (ETU) is not dependent upon EU membership.
Unlikely. Referendums are much more simple then elections. They were pretty accurate with Scotland and the Canadian one.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Nobody has has voted for us since about 2003.
1997.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I think it was when we invaded Iraq that our popularity as a Eurovision contestant nosedived.
bi0boy
Power User
Remember when fire extinguishers weren't all red? When a pint of milk didn't say 568ml on it in quite such a big font? This country could be great again.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Nah all your entries have been shit since Buck's Fizz.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
All the entries from all the countries have been shit since 'my lovely horse'.
EastEnder
Brixton Barnacle
Maybe. Although as I understand it, the failings of the pollsters in the general election were essentially put down to them canvassing too many people who never actually bothered to vote. They asked lots of younger people (social media bias, etc), who tended to me more left wing, but when it came to voting it was the older, more right wing who actually went to the polling booths. Could the same thing happen with the referendum?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Are they all red now? They used to be colour-coded, so you didn't accidentally spray water on an electrical fire or a burning chip pan.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
If only they had some sort of real life example to warn them off doing such a silly thing.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
It seems possible.
I don't think we should let old people vote. Half of them have lost their minds, and the other half will be dead before half the consequences of their shitty choice of politicians have even come to pass.
bi0boy
Power User
There's a danger they might follow that example too closely, as a sample size of one is never as useful as it seems.
What do we class as old, for example? Because the folks in their twenties and thirties I work with now are clueless regards anything beyond football and racism.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If your occupation is listed as 'bed blocker' then you're probably old.
Out of context lazy shit. The meme also.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Bollocks there was that Scandinavian death metal band and that Austrian bearded lady
Phew, glad I registered on the electoral roll.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
if only the world was full of examples of people learning from their mistakes...
i'm not really sure there's much they can do about it anyway - the crux of polling is engagement, and if people won't engage in public politics (in the widest sense of the term) i'm at something of a loss as to how pollsters can gauge their opinion.
anyway, i'm betting on an 'In' win by 60-40, and i'll take bets on an 'out' win, or a 'in' with less than 58%. £1 max bets with the winnings going to the charity of the winners choice.
But generally people do vote in referendums, turnout is much higher. Its a much more simple proposition for the electorate and history shows that people are usually more honest with their answers before the event then at a GE.
There is always the chance for the pollsters to fuck-up but history tells us that its unlikely. Remember that City banker bloke who gambled vast sums of money on Scotland staying in the Union? I head him being interviewed on radio and the whole premise of his strategy was that referendums generally follow a pattern and are predictable and the polls are largely accurate. It certainly worked for him.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Based on what data? The turnout for some of the Swiss referenda is terribly low.
Again based on what evidence? During the Scottish referendum I remember at least one piece talking about how it was much more difficult for pollsters to model than elections.
EDIT: On turnout. The turnout of the 75 referendum was 65%, the turnout for the 1970, Feb 1974, Oct 1974 and 1979 general elections was 72%, 79%, 73% and 76%. It's not until 2001 that the turnout in general elections fell below 65%.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i'm already sick of blather about accuracy of polls
I'm using Scotland and Quebec where voter turn out was very high and were both called more or less correctly by the pollsters. Of course what is being asked is a big issue for example the turn out for the AV referendum was low, but I think the nature of that issue is nothing compared to this.
I think we'll see turnout close to, if not higher then for Scotland.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
88+%? No chance.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
I don't. I think a lot of people will be disgusted and disillusioned with both campaigns, rightly believing that both options lead to further erosion of their life chances and living standards and as a result they will not vote.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
as well as much of the debate in the media being one wing of the tory party having a pop at another wing of the tory party
Just under 85% according to wiki, maybe not. But higher then a GE I suspect. We'll see.
