Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Corrupt neoliberalism or isolationist xenophobia? Abstain!
Brexit or Bremain - Urban votes
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
have changed my mind to exit on grounds it would fuck shit up
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you've been at the times crossword today too.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Same here. I really would have liked the 'riot/burn parliament/lynch neolib' option in the poll.
I might have to use that for a troll on facebook!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
seems to me an out vote would fuck ukip, would fuck the tories and would fuck labour. wins all round i'd say
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I have not
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you should give it a go
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I prefer the Guardian Quick cos I can actually finish it.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Can you add to that a bit, as to how?
FiFi
Hot Cross Bunny
Well, as nobody, expect rabid kippers frothing about immigration, can tell me what "out" would look like, I have to assume it will be isolationist xenophobia.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
ukip rationale gone tories going to spliton this anyway and think labour going to be damaged too
bi0boy
Power User
I bet it would help the LibDems though
youngian
Well-Known Member
If he loses the referendum UKIP will lose its will to live. The EU is Farage's raison d'etre. Every other populist announcement about immigration and gays are just crowd pleasers to draw in the swivel eyed loons.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
If we come out, UKIP are finished anyway, surely?
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
For all Farage's posturing and blustering about how bad for immigration and costly to the UK the EU is, he's still been quite happy to take a £65k salary and expenses from being an MEP. It's not been a bad earner for the hypocritical cunt.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Quite, so take it away. UKIP are barely a one trick pony. Coming out doesn't leave much left for them politically. Coming out might also cause deep divisions in the Tories which sees them elect a new leader who also wants out. A core of UKIPs right-wing votes goes back to the Tories as it becomes more eurosceptic again, and the rest implodes.
Admittedly, the one thing we haven't got is a strong left party with an argument for forming an out strategy which is an issue, but I still think an out will cause problems for the Tories and what's the point of UKIP if we're out?
UKIP love this - they can posture all that they want whilst being quite happy that whilst we stay in, they are part of the UK political landscape. So end it.
Then, we need to work on building ground-up movements to oppose the Tories, which is a hard task I know, but much more easily achieved without the neo-liberalism of the EU to fight against too.
gosub
~#
Think out means still in Single market , but not in EU. And that means not addressing immigration, personally not a problem, but would be for a lot of outers. Farage hangs around calling the still in single market position a betrayal and keeps a political base that he's built over immigration.
What does 'in' look like?Well, as nobody, expect rabid kippers frothing about immigration, can tell me what "out" would look like, I have to assume it will be isolationist xenophobia.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
He can't be that punch drunk, he hasn't been conned into wearing a tie that looks like a rejected polo mint redesign from the 80s
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
I'm, on balance, on the staying-in side. I think the ECHR is a very important check/balance, i think curbs to some of the excesses of the way sovereignty would otherwise be enacted by our governments is probably quite welcome.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
The ECHR isn't a given because of membership of the EU though? Afaik, coming out of the EU won't change that (someone correct me though if not though).
The rationale for the SNP's existence seemed to go after the Scottish referendum. Doesn't seem to have done them any harm.
Edit: and UKIP's focus on immigration isn't just to attract 'swivel-eyed loons'. It's tapping in to the fairly prevalent views that immigration should be restricted and that all major parties are indifferent to the concerns of the ordinary British voter.
Edit: and UKIP's focus on immigration isn't just to attract 'swivel-eyed loons'. It's tapping in to the fairly prevalent views that immigration should be restricted and that all major parties are indifferent to the concerns of the ordinary British voter.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
That doesn't really work if you're comparing SNP rationale for existence to UKIP.
