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Now Gordon Brown has resurfaced to save the world (again) I await the reprise of Gillian Duffy's media career.:rolleyes:

In the meantime....an intermisson




while we await "the end of Western Political civilisation"


10 days to endure.

"As a historian I fear that Brexit could be the beginning of the destruction of not only the EU but also of western political civilization in its entirety."

'speaking as a parent' lol. We've all read Shirers 'Rise and Fall' mate
 
I've seen it a lot on Twitter just now but the thing is, usually in these situations someone screenshots the tweet to preserve it in case it's deleted, and also links to the tweet itself (which would turn up as "unavailable" if deleted) whereas with this I've only seen the image itself, which anyone could have made.
like this?
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trump isn't going to win. I'll bet you fifty dollars.


we're staring at the void of president killary which is such a hobsons for joe and jane US voter its unreal

i'll take that bet.

i don't think he'll win either, i think the betting has got to be on Clinton - however, its close enough that enough things that are possible to go wrong are on her pathway that Trump might squeeze it.

while i think the likelyhood is significantly smaller than that a Clinton win, the potential hugely negative consequences of it are such that its worth (for me..) taking almost any action that might mitigate those effects. being in a political/economic bloc who'se worth is only marginally smaller than that of the United States, rather than being in a bloc of one, that will have at least one part of it trying to walk away, who'se total output is equivelant to just one of the US's 50 states , is a very large mitigating factor.

lets make the bet much more interesting, much more real and important. instead of $50, how about your Dog. if Trump wins, i'll have your dog - do you feel as confident about him losing now?
 
s, i'll have your dog - do you feel as confident about him losing now?
yes, trump needs more than who he's speaking to. He needs those he's cunted off badly as well, and that vote is gone/wasn't rebuplican anyway/staying home. Its not a deal on the dog though. You'd give him back soon enough though, nightmares he can be
 
yes, trump needs more than who he's speaking to. He needs those he's cunted off badly as well, and that vote is gone/wasn't rebuplican anyway/staying home. Its not a deal on the dog though. You'd give him back soon enough though, nightmares he can be
Actually if the normally republican states hate Clinton more..+the rust belt, he wins. I have no dog.
 
I threw my voting slip in the waste bin a couple of weeks ago but dug it out the other night, I still don't know how to vote, though.

I don't want to vote to remain because I feel the EU will see that as Business as Usual for TTIP and anti-democratic EU decisions and the rest.

I don't want to vote for exit since Cameron says he's not going to go he'll see that as another reason to axe the NHS and benefits and pensions after all his pronouncements of financial disaster with a triumphant "well I told you so".

Or we'll have someone like Gove or Johnson who decide they have a mandate to go immigrant bashing and wage cutting and environmental regulation cutting.

So it turns out I'm a liberal urban cunt again :( .
I am also thinking like this. However, there's only one question on the ballot. Remain changes nothing. Leave is just that. There is no mandate for immigrant bashing or a bonfire of workers rights or any other made up ukip bullshit.
 
Oh noes, how could Dave have allowed us a vote when this could happen...

Brexit could threaten western political civilization, says EU's Tusk

Sounds like absurd hyperbole doesn't it. But Tusk as a Pole and a historian has an acute sense of how history can bite you on the arse as the threads that bind Europe together unravel. Apathy towards Remain among Labour voters in northern industrial heartlands left behind by globalisation are the ones who could swing this referendum to leave and start a chain reaction of populism across Europe. At least the Front National are a dirigiste party but what a shame for those in Northern England who are voting for politicians in this referendum to vent their frustration are like Farage and Gove who believe in an even harsher version of global neo-liberalism. But hey look over there; blame the foreigners
 
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Why is abstaining worse than (spit, liberal fucks!) voting remain?
Cos at least the fuckers have thought about it and made a decision, rather than pretending that their decision (not to make a decision) is anything other than a useless waste.

It is a close call between the two choices, in reality. Whilst at a base level, the EU should obviously be rejected - as an enforcer of neoliberalism, and old fashioned plain free trade before '92, as an undemocratic monolith that cannot be reformed, as an emerging imperialist bloc, as an entity that works to ensure the continued impoverishment and underdevelopment of the third world - there's all that on the one side. And then, there's the fact that even if we vote to reject all that, we will still wake up in a state which is only different in that it is a fading imperialist bloc, rather than an emerging one. And the EU will offer some short-term protections against the worst of the tories, and at least raises the notion of internationalism and free movement of labour.

Those of a dithering bent (whether liberal or ultra left variety), might then try and say that' he, that means you should abstain then' - but they ignore the fact that, formally, the vote is not about endorsing the British state, or not, but about remaining in the EU. And as socialist we dont want to remain in 'the EU', so fuck that. vote out. Whichever way the result goes, it will go one way or the other, there can't be a hung referendum result, so it will have an effect. Maybe a remainer beleives it will have only a minimal effect, either now or in the long term, but that is still an effect, and we should vote in whichever way helps develop working class struggle, even if only a tiny bit. And, while you mkight say these same arguments could be made for voting in a GE (and to some extent they CAN), there is a fundamental difference in that there you are voting to endorse a specific party, not just to reject the other(s)
 
This is from Aaron Banks' team of shit stirrers. Their tactic is design the poster, tweet it, dump it then deny all knowledge but by that time it's gone viral and been picked up by the papers. Here's the lackey who designed it and other equally bad leave propaganda if anyone's interested.
I assumed it was just a knobhead with photoshop not a graphic/web/freelance designer.
 
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