Brexit or Bremain - Urban votes

[Mr.Bishie]

but mr cameron said "we are the party of working people"...

And I'm a fuckin' potato

 

[brogdale]

Ask a psychologist what will happen, and while most won't give you a prediction, they will tell you that people generally favour the status quo unless things are very bad indeed.

Yep.
As useful overview of the poll performance during previous UK plebicites here:-
How good are referendum polls in the UK?

Experience from previous referendums therefore gives considerable reason to expect that the final outcome this time will be more favourable to Remain than the average poll that we see over the next few weeks. Indeed, that evidence suggests that there is a reasonable prospect that Remain will out perform even the most pro-Remain poll of the final month.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Bollocks to polls, stick with the bookies

Paddy Power 5/2 Leave!

Brexit Referendum Betting Odds | Oddschecker

 

[bluescreen]

Convince me that the Brexiters *aren't* more committed to voting than the Remainers and I'll take all the stated voting intentions more seriously.

 

[brogdale]

Bollocks to polls, stick with the bookies

Paddy Power 5/2 Remain!

Brexit Referendum Betting Odds | Oddschecker

Saying much the same thing tbf!

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Didn't Flange have a grand on leave? Twat.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Saying much the same thing tbf!

Hurrah!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Didn't Flange have a grand on leave? Twat.

That's what he says. In fact he put 5 grand on stay.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

That's what he says. In fact he put 5 grand on stay.

Wouldn't surprise me, how would he cope without his MEP expenses? The fuckin' hypocrite.

 

[weltweit]

You're spouting again.
You, like us all, have no idea what a post brexit uk will look like, so why keep on repeating this baseless assumption?

What I do think I know is that there will be no points based system for EU migrants if Leave want in the single market.

 

[redsquirrel]

You know the Tory agenda is to attack workers rights, smash unions, & sell off the public sector, whether they're remain or leave. Boris or Dave, take your pick.

Likewise this idea that Leave is the anti-immigrant vote completely misses the fact that it is that nice Mr Cameron and his cabinet that is currently responsible for the UK immigration policy, in favour the the disgusting deal with Turkey and have support sending buses telling immigrants to go home around particular areas.

 

[bluescreen]

Likewise this idea that Leave is the anti-immigrant vote completely misses the fact that it is that nice Mr Cameron and his cabinet that is currently responsible for the UK immigration policy, in favour the the disgusting deal with Turkey and have support sending buses telling immigrants to go home around particular areas.

Tell us more about Brexit's policy on immigration? I mean, I'm not deluded about Govt policy, but how is Brexit an improvement?

 

[weltweit]

Tell us more about Brexit's policy on immigration? I mean, I'm not deluded about Govt policy, but how is Brexit an improvement?

Brexit claim they want a points based immigration system like Australia has. My understanding is that they want this system for EU and non EU migrants. I don't think they will be able to negotiate such a system with the EU though.

 

[8ball]

Brexit claim they want a points based immigration system like Australia has. My understanding is that they want this system for EU and non EU migrants. I don't think they will be able to negotiate such a system with the EU though.

Well, they will, but without losing massively on other concessions.

 

[bluescreen]

Brexit claim they want a points based immigration system like Australia has. My understanding is that they want this system for EU and non EU migrants. I don't think they will be able to negotiate such a system with the EU though.

I know this is what they want. I can't see it as an improvement, though - it causes immense hardship.

ETA as if things weren't bad enough here already, what with vicious deportations.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

there appears to be growing feline support for 'remain'

mEUw (@mEUwCats) on Twitter

i thought most cats were in favour of a 'sit in open doorway and contemplate the merits of in or out' position...

 

[redsquirrel]

Tell us more about Brexit's policy on immigration? I mean, I'm not deluded about Govt policy, but how is Brexit an improvement?

Sorry, where did I say Brexit policy (whatever that is) was an improvement?

Both offical camps are full of anti-immigration wankers, something that seems to be forgotten by liberals.

 

[bluescreen]

Sorry, where did I say Brexit policy (whatever that is) was an improvement?

Both offical camps are full of anti-immigration wankers, something that seems to be forgotten by liberals.

Sorry, what was your point, then?

 

[weltweit]

A points based system could significantly reduce the number of people who qualify to enter the UK, but it could be pretty unfair to for example people fleeing a war zone like Syria, yes you have a medical degree you can come, no sorry you are a bricklayer (or other undesired occupation) we have enough of those so no you have to stay in Calais.

 

[redsquirrel]

Sorry, what was your point, then?

Just as there will be attacks on workers rights, dismantling of the welfare state whatever the results so will there be a continued anti-immigrant policy.

Yet idiots like U75s own Nick Clegg above have attempted to portray Leave as the anti-immigrant vote while completely ignoring the anti-immigration policies of those leading Remain.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

A points based system could significantly reduce the number of people who qualify to enter the UK, but it could be pretty unfair to for example people fleeing a war zone like Syria, yes you have a medical degree you can come, no sorry you are a bricklayer (or other undesired occupation) we have enough of those so no you have to stay in Calais.

You are conflating the issue of Immigration with that of Asylum. These are two different policy areas. I don't think anyone is proposing that this points-based system would apply to refugees.

 

[Sprocket.]

Whatever happens the workers, the poor, the disadvantaged will not be one jot better off. They are two sides of the same corrupt capitalist coin and as ever only the wealthy will profit.
Smoke and mirrors it is all a diversion so the tories can get really nasty.

 

[gosub]

Well, they will, but without losing massively on other concessions.

who will? Brexit isn't forming a government.

 

[bluescreen]

who will? Brexit isn't forming a government.

^^ This. A Brexit vote may give us Boris as PM but it won't trigger a general election. It's not a vote for a fairer future, just a Hail Mary pass.

 

[8ball]

who will? Brexit isn't forming a government.

Them.

 

[redsquirrel]

^^ This. A Brexit vote may give us Boris as PM but it won't trigger a general election.

Yet you were arguing that the is such a thing as a Brexit policy, just a few posts back. Clegg was claiming that Brexit want to introduce an Australian points system.

So which of the people below are responsible for this policy? Which of them are in favour of a points system? ,

alfajobrob, davesgcr, frogwoman, DotCommunist, butchersapron, Spymaster, xes, agricola, gosub, Cerberus, Fonzie Bear, Brixton Hatter, flypanam, Nigel Irritable, mwgdrwg, Virtual Blue, WouldBe, nuffsaid, denniseagle, maomao, killer b, ItWillNeverWork, belboid, moomoo, dennisr, MooChild, lizzieloo, 8ball, 1927, Louis MacNeice, roryer, magneze, Sirena, redsquirrel, Mation, Flavour, Signal 11, fishfinger, Fez909, Knotted, YouSir, steeplejack, militant atheist, Nigel, mk12, smokedout, Janh, joe_infinity, MikeMcc, ricbake, NoXion, Ranbay, Lo Siento, Tankus, Bahnhof Strasse, SpookyFrank, oztpo4, Tribeca, Libertad, josef1878, InfoBurner, kavenism, PandaCola, ffsear, RubyBlue, OneStrike, stethoscope, mather, dilberto, Manter, SpackleFrog

EDIT: Apologises if I alerted you, I just meant to C&P the list of out voters but it might have also C&P the link too.

 

[sihhi]

Labour have put this out -

"Many of the employment rights working people rely on are guaranteed by EU law. I call on the Leave campaign to say which workers' rights they'd scrap if we left the EU." - (this is something you can sign up to if you feel so inclined - here)

Labour are frauds.

The rights at work on the ballot paper in this referendum include:

• A minimum of four weeks paid holiday, plus public holidays
• The right to equal pay for women is underpinned by EU law
• Protections against sex discrimination at work where EU law also underpins UK law
• Rights to maternity and paternity leave
• Equal treatment for part-time workers
• No discrimination against fixed term workers
• Equal treatment for agency workers after six months
• An individual right to limit the working week to a maximum of 48 hours
• Protection for workers facing outsourcing, privatisation, and changes of employer
• Comprehensive protection on health and safety in the workplace

Many of those campaigning to leave the EU want to scrap and undermine workers’ rights. Last month Tory Employment Minister and Leave campaigner Priti Patel called for EU social protections and workers’ rights to be cut in the event of a vote to leave the EU.

Dripping with fraud.
1 These rights are already phantom rights - ones that exist on paper only - for millions of workers in the market, with the EU supposedly ramming them forward for the past either 40 years or 24 years (depending on your benchmark) in fact they become more in-name-only just as the EU continues and expands.
2 The claims for the EU offering these rights particularly 'protection for workers facing outsourcing, privatisation, and changes of employer' (see above) or 'comprehensive protection on health and safety in the workplace' is bunkum. The EU paticularly the Court of Justice of the EU - case after case - facilitates comprehensive weakening of protection and a race to the bottom across EU member states.
The Court of Justice of the EU - ever since 2008 - has primacy over member state laws ie meaning member states are subject to its law - that is irreversible within the EU unless the members create a new Treaty. The Court of Justice of the EU is the most right-wing,regressive body the EU has, and zero democratic control.
3 The Agency Worker Directive from on high allowed a massive increase in cross-border agency work near completely casual labour with no employer duties at the mercy of two sets of effective employers 1 home country agency 2 agency's contracted firm.
4 Priti Patel has consistently called for social protections and workers’ rights to be cut because those are her tactics to ensure profitability and growth, so what?
The CBI - who actually matter, have the power to direct a lockout or organise a capital freeze, - have consistently called for social protections and workers’ rights to be cut because those are its tactics to ensure profitability and growth.
Perhaps more to the point since 2012 the EU Commission's REFIT budget ('Regulatory, Fitness and Performance') has been given over to reducing the burden on business thinking up new ways for the Court to trim the rights the EU supposedly wants to protect.

 

[gosub]

Yet you were arguing that the is such a thing as a Brexit policy, just a few posts back. Clegg was claiming that Brexit want to introduce an Australian points system.

So which of the people below are responsible for this policy? Which of them are in favour of a points system? ,

alfajobrob, davesgcr, frogwoman, DotCommunist, butchersapron, Spymaster, xes, agricola, gosub, Cerberus, Fonzie Bear, Brixton Hatter, flypanam, Nigel Irritable, mwgdrwg, Virtual Blue, WouldBe, nuffsaid, denniseagle, maomao, killer b, ItWillNeverWork, belboid, moomoo, dennisr, MooChild, lizzieloo, 8ball, 1927, Louis MacNeice, roryer, magneze, Sirena, redsquirrel, Mation, Flavour, Signal 11, fishfinger, Fez909, Knotted, YouSir, steeplejack, militant atheist, Nigel, mk12, smokedout, Janh, joe_infinity, MikeMcc, ricbake, NoXion, Ranbay, Lo Siento, Tankus, Bahnhof Strasse, SpookyFrank, oztpo4, Tribeca, Libertad, josef1878, InfoBurner, kavenism, PandaCola, ffsear, RubyBlue, OneStrike, stethoscope, mather, dilberto, Manter, SpackleFrog

I'm not.. I've got a mate with a Chinese wife, she works in chinese medicine, rest of firm is here through points based company quota visas, ends up you put up with a lot of shit coz you are beholding to the company

 

[two sheds]

Yet you were arguing that the is such a thing as a Brexit policy, just a few posts back. Clegg was claiming that Brexit want to introduce an Australian points system.

So which of the people below are responsible for this policy? Which of them are in favour of a points system? ,

alfajobrob, davesgcr, frogwoman, DotCommunist, butchersapron, Spymaster, xes, agricola, gosub, Cerberus, Fonzie Bear, Brixton Hatter, flypanam, Nigel Irritable, mwgdrwg, Virtual Blue, WouldBe, nuffsaid, denniseagle, maomao, killer b, ItWillNeverWork, belboid, moomoo, dennisr, MooChild, lizzieloo, 8ball, 1927, Louis MacNeice, roryer, magneze, Sirena, redsquirrel, Mation, Flavour, Signal 11, fishfinger, Fez909, Knotted, YouSir, steeplejack, militant atheist, Nigel, mk12, smokedout, Janh, joe_infinity, MikeMcc, ricbake, NoXion, Ranbay, Lo Siento, Tankus, Bahnhof Strasse, SpookyFrank, oztpo4, Tribeca, Libertad, josef1878, InfoBurner, kavenism, PandaCola, ffsear, RubyBlue, OneStrike, stethoscope, mather, dilberto, Manter, SpackleFrog

Didn't ask me

 

[bluescreen]

Yet you were arguing that the is such a thing as a Brexit policy, just a few posts back. Clegg was claiming that Brexit want to introduce an Australian points system.

So which of the people below are responsible for this policy? Which of them are in favour of a points system? ,

alfajobrob, davesgcr, frogwoman, DotCommunist, butchersapron, Spymaster, xes, agricola, gosub, Cerberus, Fonzie Bear, Brixton Hatter, flypanam, Nigel Irritable, mwgdrwg, Virtual Blue, WouldBe, nuffsaid, denniseagle, maomao, killer b, ItWillNeverWork, belboid, moomoo, dennisr, MooChild, lizzieloo, 8ball, 1927, Louis MacNeice, roryer, magneze, Sirena, redsquirrel, Mation, Flavour, Signal 11, fishfinger, Fez909, Knotted, YouSir, steeplejack, militant atheist, Nigel, mk12, smokedout, Janh, joe_infinity, MikeMcc, ricbake, NoXion, Ranbay, Lo Siento, Tankus, Bahnhof Strasse, SpookyFrank, oztpo4, Tribeca, Libertad, josef1878, InfoBurner, kavenism, PandaCola, ffsear, RubyBlue, OneStrike, stethoscope, mather, dilberto, Manter, SpackleFrog

Blimey. Are all of those Brexiters? I will have to pay closer attention.