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Starry Wisdom
we are in accord then. except for the bit about scaremongering or remoanering, neither of which i've mentioned.
Brexit - impact on musicians, touring and the music/events industry
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Yeah, appreciate it was your quote, but others have though, or at least implied it.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
So big bands can do it, small bands don't. Samantha Fox counts as a big band here and is able to tour Europe, it is bands with fewer fans than Samantha Fox that are the issue, do you deal with bands smaller than Samantha Fox? I had no idea she was a musician, I had only ever heard of her in relation to Page Three, wholly unaware of her musical talents.
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hiraethified
The thing is she's not touring on her own - she's part of a big 80s package playing places like the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Atlantic City and French Arena shows, so it's absolutely nothing like the same experience that small bands would have playing around Europe.
And although her success may have passed you and me by, she has reached a level of fame way beyond your average indie band travelling to Europe in a transit van.
Really not sure why we're even talking about her in the context of Brexit and small bands, to be honest.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Maybe it's time to take stock and realise that travelling around the world isn't great for the environment. I mean you do seem very keen to stop cars polluting the environment, so in order not to appear to be a hypocrite...?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Well, I’m not the one doing the travelling. We could argue the toss all day long as to the cultural value of an orchestra visiting another country to perform vs the impact of somone driving a mile to the shops, but for now I’ll just concentrate on trying to keep a venue afloat and people in employment.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
I'd argue that since the advent of youtube, the only excuse to travel abroad in order for people to hear your music is that you enjoy destroying the environment. One could argue that your role as facilitator is enabling this destructive behaviour.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
You've either never been to a classical concert in your life or are attempting a troll so poor it'll be on the streets begging for pennies before midnight.
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hiraethified
Hey, why bother travelling to see your friends and family when you can see them on Zoom? And naturally you'll never be booking a foreign holiday again when you can look at postcards and YouTube videos too, yes?
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
But I'm not the one stamping carbon footprint guilt trips onto all and sundry. I'm merely pointing out glaring contradictions in people's ethos.
It seems some people attempt to offset their own huge carbon footprint by telling others how to lead their lives. It's a bit hypocritical, IMHO.
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hiraethified
You were just telling musicians how to live their lives, so I can only assume that you never take flights for work or for pleasure as that would make you a hypocrite.
Meanwhile it's perfectly possibly for bands to tour with a hugely reduced environmental impact - no more than a family going on holiday in fact - but you'd rather people sit at home burning up electricity watching YouTube videos all night.
Why your internet habits are not as clean as you think
The internet allows us to send messages, share pictures, download music and stream videos at a touch of a button, but our online habits have a surprising impact on the environment.
www.bbc.com
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Nope, I'm pointing out that flying around Europe whilst telling others not to drive cars or eat cows because 'carbon' is really hypocritical.
I haven't been on a plane for over 10 years, if that helps?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Just YouTube’d Sam Fox’s music, she’s gash. Not just on an I Don’t Like It style, but BB1 who plays in both a band and orchestra stated, “fucking terrible”
So it seems the bar for touring musicians has been set fairly low here.
So it seems the bar for touring musicians has been set fairly low here.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
He’ll come back with his band tours by train. Apart from the USA which can’t be toured by his band, except when they do and that was what was planned for 2021, but Brexit is the reason he ain’t touring…And Japan, which also can’t be toured cos only the EU can be toured.
Raheem
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She was briefly quite internationally successful, though. Seems like she's second in the bill in an 80s nostalgia tour of France (with the headliner being a guy called Boris, who is from the 90s - ask the French how this works, not me).
bimble
floofy
She is still hanging up on the walls of the most surprising places, spotted her last year , framed, fully dressed, in a restaurant in central India . Being tone deaf is no barrier to pop stardom anyway.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Not my cup of tea but the creatives must be allowed to flourish so Go Sam! I guess.
bimble
floofy
I got to hear some live music couple of weeks ago (outdoors ) for the first time in idk two years or something. When they started up (a small orchestra with brass section) the whole audience went mental cheering, it was pretty emotional after all this time. YouTube’s great though yeah,
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Godalming bandstand started up again with live performances three weeks ago, BB1’s band has played live, over 1000 people came to see her and her band. Perhaps during Covid times looking closer to home may be beneficial?
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Auto-Tune has a lot to answer for.
But back to the musicians touring problem... I think the future is broadcasting to your audience via the wonder of the Internet. We don't go to the cinema and expect the actors to arrive on stage. There's no reason music can't go the same way.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Another content-free classic from ddraig.Give it a fucking rest ffs
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Are you cross thread beefing?Another content-free classic from ddraig.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
No, I'm discussing the future of touring musicians.Are you cross thread beefing?
Are you being your usual content-free self?
ska invita
back on the other side
Sam Fox has sold over 30 million records worldwide, had 7 albums, check her discogs, when you see numbers like "87 versions" next to an album that means a massive worldwide hit - and she had a run of those
Samantha Fox
Explore the discography of Samantha Fox. Shop for vinyl, CDs, and more from Samantha Fox on Discogs.
www.discogs.com
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
No you're not, you and your fellow travellers are just getting digs in over various threads and telling people in the industry that they're wrong, and your sad snide "suggestions" are tedious as fuck
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Your irony knows no bounds.
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hiraethified
Who's "flying around Europe whilst telling others not to drive or eat cows"?
Of course, eating meat is horrendously bad for the environment and happily there's plenty of alternatives to meat, so there's no real excuse for not cutting back drastically.
Warning: your festive meal could be more damaging than a long-haul flight | George Monbiot
We miscalculate environmental risk: eating certain meats is about the worst thing you can do to the planet
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Sam Fox has sold over 30 million records worldwide, had 7 albums, check her discogs, when you see numbers like "87 versions" next to an album that means a massive worldwide hit - and she had a run of those
Samantha Fox
Explore the discography of Samantha Fox. Shop for vinyl, CDs, and more from Samantha Fox on Discogs.
Clearly a very talented musician.
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hiraethified
I've repeatedly stated that Samantha Fox is completely irrelevant to the discussion about the problems that Brexit has inflicted on small bands, but I guess people keep bringing her up because it gives them the chance put in some cheap shots.
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