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From the NY Times:

"FOR UK BANDS, TOURING EUROPE IS NOW A HIGHWAY TO BREXIT HELL


LONDON — When British rock band Two Door Cinema Club began running shows across Europe a decade ago, three members of the group jumped into a van, threw their instruments behind and got sweaty from their then hometown, Belfast, Northern Ireland. Used to go Clubs in Amsterdam, Berlin and Paris.

“We’ve done this hundreds of times,” the group’s bassist, Kevin Baird, said recently over the phone. “Everything was there at a moment’s notice,” he said.
Now, it’s not that easy for Two Door Cinema Club – or any British act – to tour Europe. Last Friday, the band opened the Cruella Music Festival in Barcelona, Spain, attended by an audience of 25,000 shouting fans. But due to Britain’s 2020 departure from the European Union, known as Brexit, the band spent weeks before applying for a visa and immersed themselves in complicated new rules for trucking and exporting goods such as T-shirts. gave.

Baird said it cost the band 7,500 pounds, about $10,400, two additional musicians and an eight-person crew for visas and travel to apply for them. The new rules mean that a British tour van carrying audio and lighting equipment, or goods, can only make three stops in mainland Europe before returning home.

“It turned out to be a headache when I’ve never had a headache before,” Baird said. “If we were starting a band, we wouldn’t do this,” he said.

For much of this year, Brexit has been an even bigger topic of discussion in the UK music industry than the coronavirus pandemic. Since 1 January, when a trade agreement between Britain and the European Union came into force, hundreds of British musicians, including Dua Lipa and Radiohead, have complained that the deal makes it more expensive to tour the continent for stadium acts, and for new Almost impossible. band.

The new rules for young musicians are “an imminent catastrophe,” Elton John wrote on Instagram in June. He said, “It is about whether one of the UK’s most successful industries, worth £111 billion a year, is allowed to prosper and contribute immensely to both our cultural and economic wealth, or to accidents and burns.” is,” he said.
Musicians who supported Brexit have also complained. Bruce Dickinson, lead singer of Iron Maiden told a TV interviewer in June That, although he welcomed Britain’s departure from the European Union, he found the new rules unfair. Then he addressed the UK government: “Do your job together,” he said.

The uproar over the rules has sparked a blame game between the UK government and the EU, which is responsible for the new barriers, and which made viable proposals when negotiating a trade deal.

The issue of who is responsible has become an embarrassment for the British government. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said his government is acting “flat” on the issue. “We must fix this,” he told lawmakers in March.

So far, there hasn’t been enough progress to make musicians happy. In June, Britain agreed new trade deals that the government said would allow musicians to tour freely in Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein. It was met with disdain: “The infamous tour of mountainous Liechtenstein with a total lack of ah airport,” Simone Marie of the band Primal Scream. wrote on twitter.

“We are all becoming increasingly frustrated,” said Annabella Coldrick, chief executive of the Music Managers Forum, a trade body. In June, she helped launch Let the Music Move, a campaign for the government to compensate artists for new additional costs and to renegotiate tour rules.

“Problems are only starting to become apparent,” said Coldrick, “as soon as the coronavirus pandemic eases and bands start booking tours.” He said the biggest thing was that vans and trucks could only stop three times before returning to the UK.

Many British music trucking businesses have already moved some of their operations to Ireland to achieve the regulations. But Coldrick said it wasn’t a viable solution: Trucks would also have to travel longer to pick up the band, driving up costs. That said, it also looked like a bad outcome for Britain, as the country was losing companies and workers.

For Two Door Cinema Club, the main issue was visas, said the band’s manager, Colin Chevrian. In June, a member of the band’s crew was rejected for a visa on a technicality related to her job title, so she had to reapply. Another band member based in Belfast was told they had to go to Scotland for a visa appointment.
Last Friday’s Two Door Cinema Club show went off without a hitch, despite the band’s problems prior to their trip to Spain.

“The things we were worried about didn’t work out,” said bassist Baird. The band’s equipment, traveling in a truck from London, cleared customs from the British side in 25 minutes; Checks at the border in France only took 10. The band, whose members flew to Barcelona, had no problems at the airport.
Once, the group was so excited to play a show after months of sitting at home during the coronavirus pandemic, taking selfies of every moment, Baird said.

Mark Lone, 36, a fan in the audience, said the crowd was equally excited. “I made sure I didn’t drink too much so I didn’t have to miss anything,” he said.
“It was amazing,” Baird said of the night.

Brexit was the last thing on his mind during the gig, Baird said, but it raised its head the next day when the band and crew headed to the airport to go home. members of the Irish passport group, whom everyone born in Northern Ireland can hold a British passport as well as a British passport through passport control; Only those with British passport were stuck in line for an hour.

The band was happy with the tour but Baird was concerned about how a more complex schedule would work. “We know all too well that it was a one-off concert,” he said. “What we are apprehensive about is next year when we are playing three different countries in three days. I expect it to be very difficult.”
 
“ “The things we were worried about didn’t work out,” said bassist Baird. The band’s equipment, traveling in a truck from London, cleared customs from the British side in 25 minutes; Checks at the border in France only took 10. The band, whose members flew to Barcelona, had no problems at the airport.
Once, the group was so excited to play a show after months of sitting at home during the coronavirus pandemic, taking selfies of every moment, Baird said.”
 
“ “The things we were worried about didn’t work out,” said bassist Baird. The band’s equipment, traveling in a truck from London, cleared customs from the British side in 25 minutes; Checks at the border in France only took 10. The band, whose members flew to Barcelona, had no problems at the airport.
Once, the group was so excited to play a show after months of sitting at home during the coronavirus pandemic, taking selfies of every moment, Baird said.”
It's like Y2K all over again. Much ado about... not much.
 
Baird said it cost the band 7,500 pounds, about $10,400, two additional musicians and an eight-person crew for visas and travel to apply for them. The new rules mean that a British tour van carrying audio and lighting equipment, or goods, can only make three stops in mainland Europe before returning home.

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The band was happy with the tour but Baird was concerned about how a more complex schedule would work. “We know all too well that it was a one-off concert,” he said. “What we are apprehensive about is next year when we are playing three different countries in three days. I expect it to be very difficult.”
am i alone in thinking his fears may prove unfounded?
 
“ “The things we were worried about didn’t work out,” said bassist Baird. The band’s equipment, traveling in a truck from London, cleared customs from the British side in 25 minutes; Checks at the border in France only took 10. The band, whose members flew to Barcelona, had no problems at the airport.
Once, the group was so excited to play a show after months of sitting at home during the coronavirus pandemic, taking selfies of every moment, Baird said.”
Things are easier for the bigger bands with record deals and enough resources to smooth over the immense obstacles that Brexit has introduced. For smaller bands it's an absolute clusterfuck, not that it bothers you in the slightest.
 
the uncertainty caused by the pandemic would be my guess

when the virus abates then we'll see what other factors come into play
Err, no. That's not the reason why bands aren't able to book tours and shows for later this year and the next. But why listen to someone who actually regularly tours Europe, eh?
 
Ppfft! Remember when the remoaners were trying to make us believe that bands touring Europe would be sucked into giant sinkholes and chased around Paris by ninjas?

Turns out all you need is to restrict yourself to playing no more than three cities and have an extra seven grand going spare...
 
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So how come smaller bands are now really struggling to get any shows in Europe?
Has your tour manager not had any success getting gigs or is it just a couple of countries that he/she has had problems with? No idea what countries you tour in the EU oe where your band is popular BTW
 
Has your tour manager not had any success getting gigs or is it just a couple of countries that he/she has had problems with? No idea what countries you tour in the EU oe where your band is popular BTW
they've played the netherlands, germany, france, spain, portugal, belgium and greece since 2016

more gigs in germany than any other country
 
Maybe they are smaller as they are not popular hence finding it hard to get work?

We regularly fill shows around Europe, but top marks for trying to put the blame on us. Top quality gaslighting and - as ever - your complete lack of empathy for struggling musicians - and friends - is duly noted. Brexit really has brought out some unpleasant parts of your personality. Seems to be very much a case of 'I'm alright Jack' these days with you :(

Why does David Hasselhoff come to mind?
I don't know, Perhaps you might explain, although I suspect it's just another way for you pathetically try and to belittle band and divert attention from the fact that Brexit is fucking over small bands and the music industry?
 
We regularly fill shows around Europe, but top marks for trying to put the blame on us. Top quality gaslighting and - as ever - your complete lack of empathy for struggling musicians - and friends - is duly noted. Brexit really has brought out some unpleasant parts of your personality. Seems to be very much a case of 'I'm alright Jack' these days with you :(


I don't know, Perhaps you might explain, although I suspect it's just another way for you pathetically try and to belittle band and divert attention from the fact that Brexit is fucking over small bands and the music industry?
Stop projecting and being so grumpy. You have hardly had the nice side showing since 2016 and have dished out the crap relentlessly.
 
editor's band's released about fifteen studio albums and a german record deal. so they ought to be doing ok
Really? They can't be that small then . What are they called ? Saw a band last night overhere and the bloke who does the bookings for the local festival is the brother of this woman who I get on dead well with.
 
Maybe they are smaller as they are not popular hence finding it hard to get work?
Did you read the bit about organising visas and the costs involved? Get all that sorted and if you are not playing more than three cities, no probs (like the quote you previously selectively posted). A new band can't do this. A new band could well find it difficult to break even or even get a good string of bookings the old fashioned way. Now it is impossible unless you are bankrolled.

Bands build up a following. Traditionally this happens touring Europe where gigging pays better and the scene is much much more accommodating to new, young and upcoming talent.
 
Did you read the bit about organising visas and the costs involved? Get all that sorted and if you are not playing more than three cities, no probs (like the quote you previously selectively posted). A new band can't do this. A new band could well find it difficult to break even or even get a good string of bookings the old fashioned way. Now it is impossible unless you are bankrolled.

Bands build up a following. Traditionally this happens touring Europe where gigging pays better and the scene is much much more accommodating to new, young and upcoming talent.
yeh audiences in the uk treat new bands as we do new members
 
I dont know what impact Brexit has had on small bands here but gigs are not happening much at all and its mostly due to covid restrictions.
There was an outdoor concert recently in Dublin and the audience had to wear masks and remain in bubbles and stay in allocated squares. And even at that there was covid spread.

Weddings which traditionally were great for employing small bands are still at limited numbers.

It's been very rough on all musicians. And I dont see it changing much here for a long time. Sadly.
 
I mean, someone who has no industry experience or understanding can try and tell me how I’m imagining all the problems and logistical headaches currently plaguing both my workload and those of everyone I know, but I want more than “my guess” as evidence…
let me rephrase then and replace the my guess with my opinion. my opinion is that the greater part of the immediate problems arranging dates - dates that will stick, mind you - will be to do with the fluctuating and uncertain pandemic. that there are a number of problems with brexit which present considerable obstacles to what was formerly a simple process. but when confronted with being asked why can't this happen now, for me the answer's covid. why can't this happen in eighteen months or two years time, that's perhaps less on the pandemic.
 
let me rephrase then and replace the my guess with my opinion. my opinion is that the greater part of the immediate problems arranging dates - dates that will stick, mind you - will be to do with the fluctuating and uncertain pandemic. that there are a number of problems with brexit which present considerable obstacles to what was formerly a simple process. but when confronted with being asked why can't this happen now, for me the answer's covid. why can't this happen in eighteen months or two years time, that's perhaps less on the pandemic.
It's not unusual for tours and festival dates to be booked one, two or even three years in advance, even for relatively small bands.

Clearly Covid has made people cautious but if you look around you'll see plenty of big bands announcing dates for 2022 and onwards. I'm in a band that regularly plays Europe and so far we haven't got a single date booked ahead anywhere. And that's because of the new uncertainties brought about by Brexit, and these are the same uncertainties that the Musicians' Union - amongst others - have been highlighting for months.

Feel free to ignore what I've just said or go on about Samantha Fox again, but it's the same story for every musician I've spoken to recently.
 
let me rephrase then and replace the my guess with my opinion. my opinion is that the greater part of the immediate problems arranging dates - dates that will stick, mind you - will be to do with the fluctuating and uncertain pandemic. that there are a number of problems with brexit which present considerable obstacles to what was formerly a simple process. but when confronted with being asked why can't this happen now, for me the answer's covid. why can't this happen in eighteen months or two years time, that's perhaps less on the pandemic.
I have a set of logistic problems due to covid. I have another set of problems due to Brexit. I have some problems that fit in both sets.

Brexit has had a massive impact on my industry, and without serious government intervention/legislation will continue to do so long after covid has faded. This isn’t scaremongering, or “remoaning”, it is a simple, basic, fact.
 
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