Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I'd think she was being completely reasonable and support her fully.
Are we going to talk about why your version of misogyny is more correct than hers and Liz's?
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BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff
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I'd think she was being completely reasonable and support her fully.
Are we going to talk about why your version of misogyny is more correct than hers and Liz's?
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
As true today....
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
I suppose that the question of... I think "standpoint epistemology" is the accepted name for it, but that feels really wanky, so I suppose you could call it a standpoint approach, or indeed a context, perspective or experience approach, is a big question and one that's hard to settle. It's one of the big questions animating the 100-page identity politics thread, and it comes up in a lot of other things, for instance the saga of Jeremy Corbyn and the Wrong Kind of Jews is also one where questions of standpoint and who does or doesn't get to speak for a particular perspective keeps coming up.
Like, of course you can't use a "hard" standpoint approach, cos, for instance, it's not possible to agree with equationgirl, Elizabeth and Daphne at the same time. But at the same time, trying to make a hard anti-standpoint argument, and always ignore the speakers' identity or experience, is obviously rubbish as well, we all draw on context in making judgements all the time and standpoint stuff is one part of that. I don't have a neat conclusion to this, I think it's just one of those things that's messy and complicated.
I suppose what baffles me about the Equity Punks Defence Squad argument here is that it seems to rely on a different kind of anti-context argument. If we see something ambiguous, like, say, a piece of marketing that could be offensively sexist or could be totally innocent (if anyone's still making that claim? Hard to keep track), we would usually rely on context to try and resolve the ambiguity: for instance, if the potentially offensive piece of marketing came from an institution with a track record of offensive arseholery, that would probably be enough to settle it for me in terms of not wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt. But it seems like everyone accepts that Brewdog does have that track record, but some people are unwilling to bear that context in mind when judging anything else they do? Seems odd to me.
Like, of course you can't use a "hard" standpoint approach, cos, for instance, it's not possible to agree with equationgirl, Elizabeth and Daphne at the same time. But at the same time, trying to make a hard anti-standpoint argument, and always ignore the speakers' identity or experience, is obviously rubbish as well, we all draw on context in making judgements all the time and standpoint stuff is one part of that. I don't have a neat conclusion to this, I think it's just one of those things that's messy and complicated.
I suppose what baffles me about the Equity Punks Defence Squad argument here is that it seems to rely on a different kind of anti-context argument. If we see something ambiguous, like, say, a piece of marketing that could be offensively sexist or could be totally innocent (if anyone's still making that claim? Hard to keep track), we would usually rely on context to try and resolve the ambiguity: for instance, if the potentially offensive piece of marketing came from an institution with a track record of offensive arseholery, that would probably be enough to settle it for me in terms of not wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt. But it seems like everyone accepts that Brewdog does have that track record, but some people are unwilling to bear that context in mind when judging anything else they do? Seems odd to me.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Spymaster you have basically said that if your wife raised the same complaints of misogyny on topics that I have raised complaints of (the overall behaviour of Brewdog) you'd back her to the hilt but everybody else who raises the same complaint is wrong.. You're not interested in debate, just being a contrarian
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hiraethified
Then fuck them, fuck giving them money for their products and fuck the endless whataboutery taking place on this thread.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Don't be fucking ridiculous, I've said nothing of the sort.
I'd back my wife to the hilt because I know her to be a thoroughly balanced and measured woman, in whose judgement I have the utmost confidence.
I do not hold your opinions in the same regard.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I'm pleased to say I've never given them a penny. I don't drink beer!
teuchter
je suis teuchter
the meat free variant
His parents are millionaires. And his dad helped out financially with Brewdog.
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Ouch.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
By which, presumably you mean ruined it.
Its baffling that we actually have IPA (which we invented) and people are trying to sell us a godawful Americanisation of it, which makes it lagery because the yanks only really have that type of beer, but to make it "crafty" they've shoved a load of citra hops in so it basically tastes like grapefruity lager.
It's not IPA at all really, it's It's own thing because they all taste pretty similar, whilst at the same time; nothing like IPA.
dessiato
🇪🇸 españa te quiero
Here the American style are marketed as APA. (American Pale Ale) they're OK.
Have you had your apology yet?
dessiato
🇪🇸 españa te quiero
From who? No one has apologised to me. I doubt anyone will.
equationgirl
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But you said you were going to ask for one in an earlier post? Has there been any apologies at all to the shareholders?
As Santino has shown, the post where you said you would ask, is above.
At least he's asked for them.
dessiato
🇪🇸 españa te quiero
Ah, I misunderstood the question.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
True. Not having a go.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Please go away.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
I've got the strange feeling I made this point on this thread way back, but its now at a billion pages of insults, so......
Could they call it "fruity lager" instead do you reckon?
dessiato
🇪🇸 españa te quiero
I'm sorry I don't recall that. APA is relatively new here. It's not available in Galicia as far as I can tell. In Andalucía there was also Andalucían Pale Ale.
This type of beer is increasingly popular. But compared to Cruzcampo anything is an improvement.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
It might be, it might be many things but one thing it aint is IPA.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It is though. That boat has long since sailedIt might be, it might be many things but one thing it aint is IPA.
But folk buy it because they like and enjoy it. Punk is just proud of £3 a pint in 'spoons for a fairly strong drink so I can see why it's popular. And I doubt those drinking it are much aware of the accusations against the company and even less so because they want to drink for misogynistic reasons like someone attempted to claim earlier.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
One, you don't speak for everyone drinking Punk IPA and two, you just can't know why they drink it.
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