Boris Johnson tests positive for Covid-19

[existentialist]

Duncan-Smith wheeled out to talk shit, said the Herd Immunity thing wasn't policy but the fault of the scientists, and "if Boris and the Health Secretary can get this, anyone can"

I would have a much more difficult moral dilemma if it were Dunked-In-Shit in ITU, I'll admit. That man really does directly have blood on his hands, and he doesn't give a fuck. The prospect of him having to contemplate (please god, let him be a believer) accounting for his sins on earth would please me greatly, even though I'm not a believer.

 

[Favelado]

I can't "like" this, but yes. And, as it happens, NHS ITUs were reporting a rather-better-than-50% recovery rate, though I cannot remember where I saw that. Even so, he's in a very bad place indeed. I don't ever want to find myself in a position where my survival is hanging in the balance for any more than about 10 seconds.

A point in this situation that really scared me was the goalkeeper Pepe Reina, saying that he couldn't breathe properly for 25 minutes. He's 38 years old and in fantastic shape. That really brought it home to me that there's real danger for people.

 

[brogdale]

Thinly concealed chortling...

 

[Azrael]

Isnt the stats for intesive a bit 50/ 50...?

Tommy's report they've been getting better outcomes, though of course that's average, not individual:-

 

[Plumdaff]

I won't judge anyone else's response as he's a deeply unpleasant man with odious politics who if he does die will end up in one of those ironic deaths compilations after the handshaking video, but like others, I can't help but feel compassion for someone fighting for their life.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Will be if he does and becomes a martyr and everything he has fucked up gets swept under the carpet and the conservatives march on

I was coming on here to say the same thing.

Poor bloke, only three months in, never had a chance, baby on the way, best conservative PM we never had blah blah. He thought his Churchill moment would be to lead the nation through its darkest hour, could be that his Churchill moment will be some kind of huge pomp-and-circumstance funeral.



Poor old Carrie don’t deserve this shit though. (Allegedly) abused widow-fiancée with a newborn. Not fun.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I can't "like" this, but yes. And, as it happens, NHS ITUs were reporting a rather-better-than-50% recovery rate, though I cannot remember where I saw that. Even so, he's in a very bad place indeed. I don't ever want to find myself in a position where my survival is hanging in the balance for any more than about 10 seconds.

People can be on ventilators for 2-3 weeks before they recover or die, we are behind the curve of Italy & Spain, that are reporting around the 50/50 chance of recovery

 

[existentialist]

People can be on ventilators for 2-3 weeks before they recover or die, we are behind the curve of Italy & Spain, that are reporting around the 50/50 chance of recovery

But see two posts above yours...

 

[LDC]

How do you know this? In the vast majority of confirmed cases victims have made a full recovery.

As has been said, most of the full recoveries happen before this stage. Once you get to the stage he's at now chances of a full recovery drop significantly.

 

[oryx]

This is very disturbing. It’s increasingly clear that we’ve been kept in the dark about the seriousness of Johnson’s condition, and no doubt people will now be speculating about what else has been kept from us.

It’s hard to think of a more serious political and democratic time than these days we are living in.

English Civil War? Racking my brains.

Can't agree strongly enough with the first bit.

 

[phillm]

How do you know this? In the vast majority of confirmed cases victims have made a full recovery.

He is in intensive care, he is in the 5% of the most serious COVIT-19 cases that require invasive procedures. He is literally fighting for his life.

Death rate of those admitted to intensive care with coronavirus more than 50% - latest figures

The death rate of those admitted to intensive care with Covid-19 has topped 50%, according to the latest figures.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is very disturbing. It’s increasingly clear that we’ve been kept in the dark about the seriousness of Johnson’s condition, and no doubt people will now be speculating about what else has been kept from us.

I dunno about that. It's the nature of this thing in the really serious cases that it starts kind of ok for a bit then can get worse very quickly. It was obvious bollocks that he was looking forward to leading from his hospital bed yesterday, but that was only yesterday. I don't see any grand conspiracy here.

 

[agricola]

This is very disturbing. It’s increasingly clear that we’ve been kept in the dark about the seriousness of Johnson’s condition, and no doubt people will now be speculating about what else has been kept from us.

It’s hard to think of a more serious political and democratic time than these days we are living in.

There are a lot of parallels with domestic British politics 1935-1940 tbh; obviously not with the Nazis or appeasement but in the way the ruling party were acting, the behaviour of the government and press (and how they worked together etc), the treatment of opponents and so on. Theres even both of them using a bus to make an obvious untruth.

 

[BristolEcho]

I fucking hate Johnson and everything he stands for but I won't be cheering on anyone's death from this dreadful virus, at least not while it's still ravaging people across the world.

Surely all methods of death are equally horrendous in that case? I think if you're against cheering death we should do that equally not pick and choose just because this one is closer to home.

He has been a big part of the reason that so many of us have died through Austerity. The benefit cuts, the destroying and fear injected into our communities and our services that supported us including the services we are relying on now. I don't see why we have to change the way we react simply because of the way he died. They created discord amongst us promoting hate of people dressed as "letterboxes" with little regard for the real damage this would cause to peoole and all so they could further their own power.

Lots of people climbing on top of others for going for their government directed daily walk, but Boris was wondering around on TV saying that he shook people's hand with the virus on the 3rd March potentially spreading it to others. His blind arrogance and those that surround him are likely to be a big reason for so many more deaths than needed to happen. We are expandable to them, but we don't need them either and if there is anything this situation has proved it is exactly that.

They laughed every step of the way through the last ten years, and if some people want to laugh at it, particularly those most affected by his and Tory rule, then I think they are entitled without others telling them they shouldn't.

 

[agricola]

I dunno about that. It's the nature of this thing in the really serious cases that it starts kind of ok for a bit then can get worse very quickly. It was obvious bollocks that he was looking forward to leading from his hospital bed yesterday, but that was only yesterday. I don't see any grand conspiracy here.

that was still the line at 5pm today

I agree its not a grand conspiracy, but it is telling about how they fib almost as a reflex.

 

[8ball]

...I can't help but feel compassion for someone fighting for their life.

Me neither.
Makes me despise my weakness if I'm honest.

 

[Favelado]

I'm sure there will be posters on this thread who attended the "Thatcher's Dead party" in Brixton and I'm confused as to what the difference is.

 

[brogdale]

that was still the line at 5pm today

I agree its not a grand conspiracy, but it is telling about how they fib almost as a reflex.

Yes.
At the 5pm presser Raab looked like he knew then.

 

[Petcha]

I'm genuinely sorry to hear of this, on a human level. He is/was flawed but then so are all of us. I wouldn't wish this upon anyone. I hope he recovers.

 

[Azrael]

I dunno about that. It's the nature of this thing in the really serious cases that it starts kind of ok for a bit then can get worse very quickly. It was obvious bollocks that he was looking forward to leading from his hospital bed yesterday, but that was only yesterday. I don't see any grand conspiracy here.

No grand conspiracy, that'd be giving it too much credit, just the usual incompetent comms and casual lying. We were expected to believe that the PM was rushed to one of England's most advanced hospitals in the hotzone of an epidemic for "routine" admission and "tests" that required an overnight stay. No wonder I went looking for Tommy's ICU protocols last night.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

that was still the line at 5pm today

I agree its not a grand conspiracy, but it is telling about how they fib almost as a reflex.

Yes, precisely. I was making two points LBJ. The first you can do yourself by scroll back from the moment they announced he was taken into ICU. It’s a comprehensive lying operation. Also, once people begin to recognise the government is lying about something like this they stop believing everything it says.

We are in unprecedented times

 

[hash tag]

As much as I don't like the man and his politics, the fact that it has hit one of the leading figures in the country So badly and with the best medical attention leaves me cold.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Whatever they’re saying, it’s worse. They’re trying to ease us through the idea.

Herd Immunity...working out just fucking fine eh? He'll get the best care possible. Too many others didn't and don't stand a chance.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No grand conspiracy, that'd be giving it too much credit, just the usual incompetent comms and casual lying. We were expected to believe that the PM was rushed to one of England's most advanced hospitals in the hotzone of an epidemic for "routine" admission and "tests" that required an overnight stay. No wonder I went looking for Tommy's ICU protocols last night.

Yeah, it was always bollocks. But in a way that just kind of makes the point, no? It's not like anyone believed that anyway.

 

[Ax^]

This is very disturbing. It’s increasingly clear that we’ve been kept in the dark about the seriousness of Johnson’s condition, and no doubt people will now be speculating about what else has been kept from us.

It’s hard to think of a more serious political and democratic time than these days we are living in.

The Tory Party lying to us


after the last few years

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

For his sake I hope he’s not on a Dyson ventilator, their hoovers are bobbins, can’t imagine the ventilators are any better.

 

[Marty1]

As much as I don't like the man and his politics, the fact that it has hit one of the leading figures in the country So badly and with the best medical attention leaves me cold.

It’s pretty sobering.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The Tory Party lying to us


after the last few years

Yeah, concealing the true condition of the PM for a few hours barely registers for me, tbh.

 

[kabbes]

It doesn’t make any difference whether or not I want him to live or die so I don’t bother wanting either. And what will happen will happen whether or not I’m happy about it. But I certainly see the dramatic irony in a man undone by his own hubris and calculus of acceptable death

 

[N_igma]