Black Lives Matter demos and protests UK, 2020-2021

[kenny g]

London? No, everywhere.

Horse riders should be banned from everywhere or just from streets everywhere?

 

[Big Bertha]

Great photos, thanks for sharing.

One small point about that last placard quoting 163 black people have died in police custody in the last ten years, that's actually the total deaths, of which 140 were white, 13 black, and 10 other minorities. That's not to take anything away from the fact that proportionally it's still over twice as many blacks compared to whites, which is unacceptable, as are all such deaths. SOURCE

I just happened to have looked at that the other day, because I was interested in the comparison between the UK & US, they seem to average around 700 total deaths per year, so about 7,000 in 10 years, adjust that by population and you are close to 10 times the number per year, compared to the UK.

That’s interesting

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Horse riders should be banned from everywhere or just from streets everywhere?

Maybe it’s just gangs of mounted, armed, reckless, bovver boys that people object to.

 

[chilango]

I'm sure thats right in some cases but I wondered if there were specific reasons mentioned . Is this generally on social media or just people who you know?

A mixture of both.

I've seen/heard "violence", "lack of social distancing" (ironically during a f2f conversation that wasn't following the social distancing rules) and "damaging property" used as excuses to withdraw "support".

Now, of course, concerns about stuff can and should be raised. What's that old phrase? "critical but unconditional support".

But it seems that some were just waiting for an excuse to dismiss something that they were finding - understandably - uncomfortable and challenging.

 

[SpookyFrank]

They're actually racists but don't want to think that they are?

More like common-or-garden bootlickers with a coat of liberal turd polish.

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe it’s just gangs of mounted, armed, reckless, bovver boys that people object to.

Probably

 

[Gramsci]

But it seems that some were just waiting for an excuse to dismiss something that they were finding - understandably - uncomfortable and challenging.

I really hope you don't mean someone like me.

I normally go on a lot of demos- time permitting. One I was planning to go to in summer was cancelled some time ago as due to health concerns. They did this after asking people who went last year what they thought.

Ive thought it through and I cannot justify to myself going on large demo at this time for reasons Ive already given. This isn't because Im looking for an excuse not to go.

What I said previously was this:

didn't go to the demo as I could not justify to myself the risk. If it was risk to me only I would have gone. But a gathering of this size during a pandemic puts others at risk. London has succeeded in reducing infection rate but the situation is far from under control. My borough Lambeth has still high number of cases. So for time being for me I'm not attending demos.

 

[brogdale]

From twitter....

"Charge of the traffic light brigade"

 

[YouSir]

US embassy protest today, isn't it? Has there been a large scale protest there since it was finished? Thinking of the area it'll be interesting to see how it plays out, very different space to Parliament Square and surroundings. Pressure from the US to keep a lid on things too I'd imagine.

 

[maomao]

She has a collapsed lung, broken collarbone and shattered ribs according to the mail. Lucky really cause she could easily have been a goner. They're also reporting the horse bolted when it was hit by a missile. They don't state what the missile was but also say the crowd were throwing hire cycles. That would be a neat trick as they weigh over fifty pounds. Maybe two large men together could swing one a few metres. Also, aren't these horses riot trained? I've seen the fuckers charge before but I've never seen one bolt.

 

[YouSir]

She has a collapsed lung, broken collarbone and shattered ribs according to the mail. Lucky really cause she could easily have been a goner. They're also reporting the horse bolted when it was hit by a missile. They don't state what the missile was but also say the crowd were throwing hire cycles. That would be a neat trick as they weigh over fifty pounds. Maybe two large men together could swing one a few metres. Also, aren't these horses riot trained? I've seen the fuckers charge before but I've never seen one bolt.

Even trained they're still animals, one's going to bolt sooner or later I guess. Good reason not to use them at all.

 

[The39thStep]

The DFLA have announced they will be defending war memorials Whitehall next Saturday . Here's a clip of 'Team Tommy' ensuring that nobody touches the General Haig statue.



Haig lived in a chateau miles away from the front line in WW1 whilst thousands of soldiers died due to his poor judgement of tactics. In 1998 the Communist pro Antifa Daily Express wanted the statue melted down and the metal made into medals for the families of those executed of desertion by Haig

 

[maomao]

In fact the Mail's actual words (I won't link) are:

In the melee a missile was fired near a police horse, seemingly causing it to bolt and charge down Whitehall.

Fired? Near? Seemingly? Basically they've got no fucking idea but thought they'd try to blame the protestors anyway.

 

[keybored]

They don't state what the missile was

They'll rely on their readership to wildly assume it was an Exocet or something similar.

 

[manji]

Britain First turned up showing their utter scumness by using a photo of Emily Jones who was killed by an Albanian Woman with serious Mental Problems . They in danger of being lynched soon after and had to be protected by Police before escorted away.

 

[The39thStep]

All desperate to get in on the act to try and revive a flagging marginalised and disjointed far right scene. Btw theres over 5, 500 war memorials in London.

 

[chilango]

I really hope you don't mean someone like me.

I normally go on a lot of demos- time permitting. One I was planning to go to in summer was cancelled some time ago as due to health concerns. They did this after asking people who went last year what they thought.

Ive thought it through and I cannot justify to myself going on large demo at this time for reasons Ive already given. This isn't because Im looking for an excuse not to go.

What I said previously was this:

didn't go to the demo as I could not justify to myself the risk. If it was risk to me only I would have gone. But a gathering of this size during a pandemic puts others at risk. London has succeeded in reducing infection rate but the situation is far from under control. My borough Lambeth has still high number of cases. So for time being for me I'm not attending demos.

No. I wasn't thinking of you. As I said, it's possible to be critical yet still supportive.

 

[Pickman's model]

I really hope you don't mean someone like me.

I normally go on a lot of demos- time permitting. One I was planning to go to in summer was cancelled some time ago as due to health concerns. They did this after asking people who went last year what they thought.

Ive thought it through and I cannot justify to myself going on large demo at this time for reasons Ive already given. This isn't because Im looking for an excuse not to go.

What I said previously was this:

didn't go to the demo as I could not justify to myself the risk. If it was risk to me only I would have gone. But a gathering of this size during a pandemic puts others at risk. London has succeeded in reducing infection rate but the situation is far from under control. My borough Lambeth has still high number of cases. So for time being for me I'm not attending demos.

yeh under other conditions i would have been there too, it's very galling to watch something like this from afar: wishing all success to the protesters and bad cess to their enemies.

 

[chilango]

Just had yet another conversation with someone dismissing the protestors as "hypocritical liberal elites" spreading the virus whilst condemning Cummings for doing exactly the same....



I gently pointed out that the protestors probably included many who've been forced back to work on crowded buses and tubes over the last few weeks so ought to be forgiven for not realising the lockdown was still on.

That did the trick.

 

[brogdale]

Just had yet another conversation with someone dismissing the protestors as "hypocritical liberal elites" spreading the virus whilst condemning Cummings for doing exactly the same....



I gently pointed out that the protestors probably included many who've been forced back to work on crowded buses and tubes over the last few weeks so ought to be forgiven for not realising the lockdown was still on.

That did the trick.

Exactly; my boy has worked his key worker role throughout (with zero PPE from employers)...how could I tell him not to go because of the rona?

 

[Gramsci]

Great photos, thanks for sharing.

One small point about that last placard quoting 163 black people have died in police custody in the last ten years, that's actually the total deaths, of which 140 were white, 13 black, and 10 other minorities. That's not to take anything away from the fact that proportionally it's still over twice as many blacks compared to whites, which is unacceptable, as are all such deaths. SOURCE

I just happened to have looked at that the other day, because I was interested in the comparison between the UK & US, they seem to average around 700 total deaths per year, so about 7,000 in 10 years, adjust that by population and you are close to 10 times the number per year, compared to the UK.

BBC article is good summary of the issues around Black British people and policing. This further down shows the day to day problem:

The most recent statistics from the Home Office and Ministry of Justice show:

• In 2018-19, black people were more than nine times as likely to be stopped and searched by police as white people.
  [*]They were over three times as likely to be arrested as white people.
  [*]They were more than five times as likely to have force used against them by police as white people.
  [*]A quarter of the prison population comes from BAME backgrounds, despite representing just 14% of the population. In young offenders institutions, this increases to 50%.

Its the kind of complaints I hear in my area ( Brixton). This is where there are parallels with USA. Listened to World Service programme on this yesterday about this.

Sean Rigg died in Brixton police station. The family campaigned for years to get justice. He had mental health problems. The CCTV cameras in station inexplicably broke down when he was in station. This is what angers people. Its the death plus the fact the Police put up wall of silence to prevent any serious investigation of what happened.

 

[frogwoman]

 

[chilango]

Well done Bristol. More of this.

 

[YouSir]

Well done Bristol.



e2a: Aw beaten to it.

 

[Gramsci]

This is today.

 

[mx wcfc]

Another angle on Colston's downfall

 

[Ax^]

Well done Bristol. More of this.

I'm just wandering was a group of police just off camera going "they never managed it"

and the Crash

 

[kalidarkone]

Quoted wrong post.

 

[butchersapron]

Now for the school.

 

[kalidarkone]

Another angle on Colston's downfall

It's made all the hairs on my body stand on end and a huge shiver down my spine. Feeling elated.