Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
My enemy's enemy does not automatically make them my friend. FOTLs supposed pursuit of the troof merely acts to obfuscate matters that should demand examination.
Billboards stating "It's illegal to use a legal name".
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My enemy's enemy does not automatically make them my friend. FOTLs supposed pursuit of the troof merely acts to obfuscate matters that should demand examination.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Granted, but anything that questions authority can surely only be a good thing, regardless of the level of sanity?
I'd rather side with them than ridicule them.
crossthebreeze
Well-Known Member
The problem is they are adamant that their methods work - ie its not just aren't just them taking a stand against an unjust system, the say these methods will really get people out of legal/financial trouble. And some things associated with them - like the WeRe bank - seems like nothing more than cons that'll make someone rich. I don't want them preying on vulnerable people - i don't want them convincing activists or people having housing problems or whatever to use their methods (as a way of solving problems rather than a method of resistance) rather than getting proper legal advice. My first response would usually be to argue against but my limited experience is that that doesn't usually work, so i guess ridicule is what's left. Plus as you see in that kate of gaia quote above in which she uses antisemitic insults, lots of them have dodgy views about lots of things.I find it strange that people would rather ridicule these people than attempt to side with them. I'm not saying they're right. I'm just wondering why people would rather side with the system than the people who are trying to fight it, regardless of how deluded they might be
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mauvais
on reddit or something
Because they're clowns that devalue and stain any argument they come into contact with. How do you feel about siding with e.g. George Galloway? Or conspiracy theorists?I find it strange that people would rather ridicule these people than attempt to side with them. I'm not saying they're right. I'm just wondering why people would rather side with the system than the people who are trying to fight it, regardless of how deluded they might be
Associate with that stuff and you offer up yourself and anything you have to say to be immediately dismissed on someone else's batshit terms.
Also it's not even well aligned to anything progressive. It smells a lot more like libertarianism than anything else IMO.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I'd be a lot more inclined to side with them if they were actually after some sort of genuine political change, rather than just trying to get out of paying tax and parking fines.I find it strange that people would rather ridicule these people than attempt to side with them. I'm not saying they're right. I'm just wondering why people would rather side with the system than the people who are trying to fight it, regardless of how deluded they might be
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They're part of a milieu which is politically far right to its core. Read the political bits of that bloke ou linked to. Why would anyone attempt to side with them beyond defending common shared rights (which they actually usually reject). Which is totally compatible with ridiculing them. Anything else just bolsters the far right element of their approach.
Just change fotl for ickettes and see how well that attempt to support then logic stands up
Just change fotl for ickettes and see how well that attempt to support then logic stands up
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Why would you side with a bunch of fucking idiots who are wrong about pretty much everything?
And if they didn't talk complete bollocks.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Sorry, I meant to quote Saul Goodman, rather than you.
lazythursday
Well-Known Member
Where they do want political change it's profoundly regressive. They reject all democratically made law as invalid preferring some mystical version of the 'common law' from the middle ages. I do think that a lot of people who are attracted to the FOTL arguments do so because of anti-establishment, anti-capitalist feelings, but they are led down the rabbit hole to some awful places both personally and politically, that's what's so insidious about it. One acquaintance who started on this shit a few years ago has ended up being completely devoted to the views of some really unpleasant right wing US libertarians like Stephen Molyneux who spout racist and misogynist shit. Gone from helping out on transition town type initiatives to proclaiming that climate change is a con to fleece us all of our money and trap us in a new world order.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
Tom A
Goat among sheep
No, but I know a few people who have been involved in the Manchester one at its conception, and according to them its a case of so far, so good. But I know all too well what happened with Occupy, and Nuit Debout does seem at face value to be an "Occupy mark 2" - at least outside of France.
A lot of FOTL types also subscribe to the views of Icke and/or other batshit conspiracy theorists.
i could tell you about the london one - and you wouldnt like it -
Tom A
Goat among sheep
I don't think I need to be told, I can merely imagine. Not heard much about the Manchester one after its initial gathering, all the activity seems to be on the Facebook page, which was a similar fault with Occupy, after the initial momentum the organisation as such ceases to exist outside of social media.
Idaho
blah blah blah
I think calling this right wing ascribes a coherence and consistency that it simply doesn't have. It's more like a semantic trick or logical/mental loop that some people get stuck in.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yeah. All them long lasting and sustained substantive right wing connections are purely accidental. Nothing to see here.
I don't think calling something so embedded in right-wing thinking what it is ascribes it any consistency and coherence beyond the self-evident description of it being part of far-narratives about law, history and society. To deny its role in this is in fact to perform a counter-ascription whereby paranoid lefties are always getting the wrong end of the stick. Especially me. Yep, esp me.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Idaho
blah blah blah
There are people who are right wing through a set of values, principles and beliefs. And then there are people who emotionally connect with similar conclusions while bypassing any values, principles and thoughts. Yes, they are fellow travellers, but I just don't think they come from the same place.
gawkrodger
Well-Known Member
blurring forum boundary lines, but the baton rouge cop killer was a part of the sovereign citizens movement
Baton Rouge officers ambushed by gunman with radical views
Baton Rouge officers ambushed by gunman with radical views
8ball
Decolonise colons!
There a kind of sweet naivety in the way they believe in a real thing called 'the law' which is based on something more than who has the weapons and the backup.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Police in armed standoff with gunman in Surrey village
Police in armed standoff with someone apparently claiming to be a Freeman. Surely Magna Carta says they can't point guns at him.
Police in armed standoff with someone apparently claiming to be a Freeman. Surely Magna Carta says they can't point guns at him.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
a soon to be nicked if he's lucky of the land man
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