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Billboards stating "It's illegal to use a legal name".

Has the person been mentioned by name?

Do you know anyone who does anything involving looking after other people who doesn't feel the need to bitch about some of those people sometimes? Because I don't.
Yes, but not quite like that. Dodgy behaviour, leads me to draw conclusions re their general conduct at work to be honest. Which is precisely why you don't do that, because people think care workers are cunts as it is.
 
Yes. It was what was said/done to the SU, and the gloating about it, which got me. Not issues of confidentiality/traceability.

Being gleeful about asserting your dominance over those in your care is a red flag to me.

Care Work is full of billy big bollocks types. (As well as truly lovely souls).
It is indeed! I am likely jaded and suspicious 16 years in this job but I seen a red flag.
 
This.

I'm extremely careful about what I say about clients here - the chances of one of them seeing my words, far less recognising me, is slim, but it's my choice not to take even that tiny risk - but count on it that there are times when, amongst professionals, we might share the occasional snarky aside, particularly if it's a client who's been pushing our buttons or shoving the boundaries around.

Nice as it might be to think that the support worker you're sitting in front of is living the whole unconditional positive regard/non-judgemental thing, we do have buttons that can occasionally get pressed, and we may well feel the need to let off a bit of steam about it. Provided the client isn't capable of being identified, and providing that letting-off-steam process doesn't risk making its way back into the professional encounter, there's nothing wrong with it. In fact, sometimes it's that very process that enables us to go back in front of the client and work with them appropriately and professionally.

The ‘button’ in this instance was the SUs conspiracism. If that sets you off as a HCP/care worker then it’s something for reflection.
 
This.

I'm extremely careful about what I say about clients here - the chances of one of them seeing my words, far less recognising me, is slim, but it's my choice not to take even that tiny risk - but count on it that there are times when, amongst professionals, we might share the occasional snarky aside, particularly if it's a client who's been pushing our buttons or shoving the boundaries around.

Nice as it might be to think that the support worker you're sitting in front of is living the whole unconditional positive regard/non-judgemental thing, we do have buttons that can occasionally get pressed, and we may well feel the need to let off a bit of steam about it. Provided the client isn't capable of being identified, and providing that letting-off-steam process doesn't risk making its way back into the professional encounter, there's nothing wrong with it. In fact, sometimes it's that very process that enables us to go back in front of the client and work with them appropriately and professionally.
Aye but like you do it between staff after work over a bottle of vodka or something. It was the description of the encounter itself which was a bit telling though -hence the question is that how you talk to someone you have a duty of care to not "should you have posted that". I don't have any water tight logic to win the toss though, other than it just isn't something you do. Bowing out :)
 
The ‘button’ in this instance was the SUs conspiracism. If that sets you off as a HCP/care worker then it’s something for reflection.
Aye, if drug use is involved then mental health risk, so grandiose/paranoid/magical thinking a tell tale sign. I am sure you know as well as I do not everyone in HC understands the subject though.
 
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The ‘button’ in this instance was the SUs conspiracism. If that sets you off as a HCP/care worker then it’s something for reflection.
From what Mumbles274 said in his post, it was about far more than that. And, as someone who has two CTers on his caseload, I can say that the particular mindset that goes with it is EXACTLY the kind of thing that makes doing this kind of work frustrating. When you are trying to work respectfully and with care, and someone's trying to get a rise out of you, it's tough staying professional.

I've had a client in the past who regularly interrogated me about my own views on 9/11, and when I demurred on giving an opinion, was quite aggressive in the way they tried to goad me into stepping out of my professional role. It was all perfectly manageable, but I did feel the need to decompress after each session, and that was definitely a heartsink client when I saw their name on my case list for the day
 
From what Mumbles274 said in his post, it was about far more than that. And, as someone who has two CTers on his caseload, I can say that the particular mindset that goes with it is EXACTLY the kind of thing that makes doing this kind of work frustrating. When you are trying to work respectfully and with care, and someone's trying to get a rise out of you, it's tough staying professional.

I've had a client in the past who regularly interrogated me about my own views on 9/11, and when I demurred on giving an opinion, was quite aggressive in the way they tried to goad me into stepping out of my professional role. It was all perfectly manageable, but I did feel the need to decompress after each session, and that was definitely a heartsink client when I saw their name on my case list for the day
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First time he tried to preech to me I shut him down straight away by saying id heard all about this kind of research and it had pissed me off when I did so if he didn't want to piss me off he'd have to politley stfu about what ever shit he was trying to tell me :D

Have you ever said that to a service user? "IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PISS ME OFF" :hmm:

*or anything remotely like that?
 
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Have you ever said that to a service user? "IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PISS ME OFF" :hmm:

*or anything remotely like that?
Have you ever had every session hijacked by conspiracy bollocks? The thing is, it seems you are putting your shit onto something and imagining your own scenario that took place.

Im not even sure its worth replying really Urban is a hive of argument seeking nonsense and its not for me thanks. I don't really have to justify myself, i am 100% sure that shutting him down and how i did it was professional and appropriate. In the half hour or so i have a month to see someone if im lucky, using congruence in a calm professional way is no red flag you seek it to be. letting someone hijack the brief time you have to assess someone's wellfare, mental health, substance use, safeguarding etc etc is not really any good to them.

Im paid to treat people, not like them and im certainly not paid for them to like me. there's plenty of wankers in the helping field and im sure plenty of you reading this have been clients and felt some power imbalance, that sucks for sure, bit don't pre judge that every worker is out to fuck you or their clients over.. Because you'll never be helped if so
 
The ‘button’ in this instance was the SUs conspiracism. If that sets you off as a HCP/care worker then it’s something for reflection.
i take it you haven't worked with people professionally before? CTers whole aim is to push buttons. They are trolls on here and in real life. There is never a point where they say ah games up, you're right. They are in the instances I've come across abusive and manipulative and frankly some of the hardest people to work with.

Dam right they push buttons.. Hence why as a professional i have researched it, discussed them im clinical meetings, supported team members to work with them, and ultimately enable them to stay im treatment until a point they decide they want to stop using drugs.
 
i take it you haven't worked with people professionally before? CTers whole aim is to push buttons. They are trolls on here and in real life. There is never a point where they say ah games up, you're right. They are in the instances I've come across abusive and manipulative and frankly some of the hardest people to work with.

Dam right they push buttons.. Hence why as a professional i have researched it, discussed them im clinical meetings, supported team members to work with them, and ultimately enable them to stay im treatment until a point they decide they want to stop using drugs.
I have to say, I find the idea of a drug user CTer slightly amusing. How do they know what they put IN them? Or is it OK so long as the drugs aren't produced by Big Pharma, but the much safer and more benign organised traffickers and criminals?
 
My role is a lot different from his, so no, it's not something I'd be likely to say.
Oh dear lord. In what situation would it be acceptable to basically abuse a position of power by using threatening language(albeit in a smug, passive aggressive way?) I have to put up with sustained abuse hours, days months at a time by the same person/people. I get into arguments, sure we all do. Often of the sort you get into with your mum though, there's still basically trust there.
 
Oh dear lord. In what situation would it be acceptable to basically abuse a position of power by using threatening language(albeit in a smug, passive aggressive way?) I have to put up with sustained abuse hours, days months at a time by the same person/people. I get into arguments, sure we all do. Often of the sort you get into with your mum though, there's still basically trust there.
you're in fantasy land i'm afraid. You have no way of knowing if it was abuse of power or passive aggressive. this is your stuff.

The client passive aggressive and abusive though. Being boundaried and reigning that in is 100% appropriate in my job. You might be a nice person but you cant project yourself into this situation. There is no abuse of power, i wasn't angry when i said it, i was quite clear that i have experienced the 'conspiracy' stuff before and had pissed me off, so for us to work together it's best left at the door, as i said, i was 'polite', a word no one seems to have picked up on? It was firm but straight with him. Now remember, there is no arguing with conspiracy, and i have 30mins at best to ensure they get their treatment needs met, not talk about whether his name is actually his fucking name :facepalm:
 
you're in fantasy land i'm afraid. You have no way of knowing if it was abuse of power or passive aggressive. this is your stuff.

The client passive aggressive and abusive though. Being boundaried and reigning that in is 100% appropriate in my job. You might be a nice person but you cant project yourself into this situation. There is no abuse of power, i wasn't angry when i said it, i was quite clear that i have experienced the 'conspiracy' stuff before and had pissed me off, so for us to work together it's best left at the door, as i said, i was 'polite', a word no one seems to have picked up on? It was firm but straight with him. Now remember, there is no arguing with conspiracy, and i have 30mins at best to ensure they get their treatment needs met, not talk about whether his name is actually his fucking name :facepalm:
I read it, your choice of words was inappropriate for someone in your position, regardless of the tone of voice you used.
 
Have you ever had every session hijacked by conspiracy bollocks? The thing is, it seems you are putting your shit onto something and imagining your own scenario that took place.

Im not even sure its worth replying really Urban is a hive of argument seeking nonsense and its not for me thanks. I don't really have to justify myself, i am 100% sure that shutting him down and how i did it was professional and appropriate. In the half hour or so i have a month to see someone if im lucky, using congruence in a calm professional way is no red flag you seek it to be. letting someone hijack the brief time you have to assess someone's wellfare, mental health, substance use, safeguarding etc etc is not really any good to them.

Im paid to treat people, not like them and im certainly not paid for them to like me. there's plenty of wankers in the helping field and im sure plenty of you reading this have been clients and felt some power imbalance, that sucks for sure, bit don't pre judge that every worker is out to fuck you or their clients over.. Because you'll never be helped if so
You sound a bit like you think you can do no wrong. I think you should maybe work on that?
 
I read it, your choice of words was inappropriate for someone in your position, regardless of the tone of voice you used.
We'll have to disagree about that.. You might not like how i described it, but you cant judge what actually happened based on 2 or 3 sentences on an internet forum. Although you are of course doing exactly that.

You seem to think a worker should display no emotion to clients. What about if they say they like watching graphic porn? Would it be wrong to say that is unpleasant to listen to? What about if they glorified burglary?

It was an intervention to specifically ensure he didn't hijack the session with CT bollocks, for his wellbeing, not mine, don't forget that. My job is to help him stop using drugs not debate vaccines causing autism
 
im sure plenty of you reading this have been clients and felt some power imbalance, that sucks for sure, bit don't pre judge that every worker is out to fuck you or their clients over.. Because you'll never be helped if so

What was that about passive aggression?
 
You seem to think a worker should display no emotion to clients. What about if they say they like watching graphic porn? Would it be wrong to say that is unpleasant to listen to? What about if they glorified burglary?

It was an intervention to specifically ensure he didn't hijack the session with CT bollocks, for his wellbeing, not mine, don't forget that. My job is to help him stop using drugs not debate vaccines causing autism
I didn't say that. Read my post upthread about getting into arguments. As I and MIB have suggested, it's the lack of reflection afterwards that is of concern.
 
I didn't say that. Read my post upthread about getting into arguments. As I and MIB have suggested, it's the lack of reflection afterwards that is of concern.

Hold on. What kind of reflection would you like? I imagine mumbles has some kind of supervision and case review opportunities. It's a bit much for you or anyone else here to demand it here IMO. You may think he told the story in a brash way but he did outline why he has the boundaries he does.
 
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