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Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

laptop said:
I think it's something to do with an entirely successful attempt to sow suspicion and hatred between physical-force anti-fascism and anyone with contacts within the system, because had there been an alliance that would have annoyed the state quite a bit.
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Mmmmmmmmmm totally agree...you think I went with all that bollox....why'dya think I went native in 94'
 
bignose1 said:
Affiliation to Searchlight...my my Red Action had affilations to them infact weekly meetings at one point...I went my own way pretty much in 94 because certain things didnt rest well but I didnt cunt them off. You still live in a blinkered world when it comes to all this shite and when you fall in line with O'Shea and co on a regular a basis then it really does sound like sour grapes. Its a shame your too good not to share your achievements...which I reckon count for fuck all...so dont hide behind the cute rhetoric.
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i've pointed out to you before that, like topcat, i'm not joe reilly's greatest fan. as for achievements, i think searchlight's greatest achievement was when its former editor popped his clogs on the phone to special branch.
 
Pickman's model said:
i've pointed out to you before that, like topcat, i'm not joe reilly's greatest fan. as for achievements, i think searchlight's greatest achievement was when its former editor popped his clogs on the phone to special branch.
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You give true meaning to the term tosser
 
Pickman's model said:
which would explain all :)
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Funnily enough the Searchlight link wasn't what I was getting at. It is the sheer brass-ballness of it all, and the Jonathan Aitken type narcissism that goes with it. Here is a guy who implies others are routinely lying, who presents himself as the innocent victim of all sorts of perfidious villiany.

Ok, so being paranoid dosen't mean they aren't out to get you right?

Yet, at the same time when challenged on this thread by the actual organiser of 'The Squad' as to the veracity of the opening scene in No Retreat (where he mistakenly gets on the NF coach, supposedly) he adopts a no comment, before goinf entirely mute and slinking back into the foliage until the thread moves on.

Which is not simply a contrast with the normal modus operandi when dealing with any questioning as to his track record or motives of which we have recent evidence but confirms the suspicions of the people who worked closest with him that the whole thing is a lie, a made up story, a product of his imagination.

Now, if in the aftermath he disappered completely, or died of embarassment ok.

But no. He then comes back when he believes the dust has settled and begins to repeat the same process, of injured 'more to be pitied than scolded' innocence, piecemean rebuttal and finger-pointing all over again.

It's bring to mind another famous libel trial where an Eastenders actress sued the Sun for alleging she was up to no good in a layby. Now try to imagine Gillian Taylforth still insisting to George Carmen that she finds the who idea of oral sex utterly repugnant after the photo of her lavisciously slurping on a large greasy saveloy has been presented in evidence, and you sort of get where Tlilzey is placed in the lexicon of denial.

Truth be told, the authors of No Retreat were both relatively minor figures in wider scheme of things, which is source of much of the tension, who decided (or were prompted) to cash in on the courage,commitment and yes, notoriety of others (and I'm not just talking about the author's of BTF here) who fought longer and harder to better effect, but who preferred to remain anonymous and for the most part return to a private life.

Understandably they are despised by many former colleagues who liken them to a couple of circus clowns rolling up the carpet after the acrobats performance and claiming the applause for themselves.

Why did they do it? It's a moot point but I'm sure Jonathan Aitken would be able to explain.
 
Joe Reilly said:
Funnily enough the Searchlight link wasn't what I was getting at. It is the sheer brass-ballness of it all, and the Jonathan Aitken type narcissism that goes with it. Here is a guy who implies others are routinely lying, who presents himself as the innocent victim of all sorts of perfidious villiany.

Ok, so being paranoid dosen't mean they aren't out to get you right?

Yet, at the same time when challenged on this thread by the actual organiser of 'The Squad' as to the veracity of the opening scene in No Retreat (where he mistakenly gets on the NF coach, supposedly) he adopts a no comment, before goinf entirely mute and slinking back into the foliage until the thread moves on.

Which is not simply a contrast with the normal modus operandi when dealing with any questioning as to his track record or motives of which we have recent evidence but confirms the suspicions of the people who worked closest with him that the whole thing is a lie, a made up story, a product of his imagination.

Now, if in the aftermath he disappered completely, or died of embarassment ok.

But no. He then comes back when he believes the dust has settled and begins to repeat the same process, of injured 'more to be pitied than scolded' innocence, piecemean rebuttal and finger-pointing all over again.

It's bring to mind another famous libel trial where an Eastenders actress sued the Sun for alleging she was up to no good in a layby. Now try to imagine Gillian Taylforth still insisting to George Carmen that she finds the who idea of oral sex utterly repugnant after the photo of her lavisciously slurping on a large greasy saveloy has been presented in evidence, and you sort of get where Tlilzey is placed in the lexicon of denial.

Truth be told, the authors of No Retreat were both relatively minor figures in wider scheme of things, which is source of much of the tension, who decided (or were prompted) to cash in on the courage,commitment and yes, notoriety of others (and I'm not just talking about the author's of BTF here) who fought longer and harder to better effect, but who preferred to remain anonymous and for the most part return to a private life.

Understandably they are despised by many former colleagues who liken them to a couple of circus clowns rolling up the carpet after the acrobats performance and claiming the applause for themselves.

Why did they do it? It's a moot point but I'm sure Jonathan Aitken would be able to explain.
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You know what O'Shea I think your jealous of me...but you do confirm to me what an utter tosser you are. Bitter and deluded. What do you want a complete statement or a confession. I think you should think more closely when challenging other peoples track record. My account is as accurate as can be maybe you should go back and ask JP...think he may find that Ive gone nowhere matey. You sound like O Hara, by dissing me you put yourself up there when quite honestly all youve been doing for 20 odd years is living on a 12 year anti fascist career befor embarking on a miniscule project which sounds more like a neighbourhood watch scheme than anything worthwhile. I dont consider myself a major figure but you obviously do. What do you think Ive been doing since 1994. Doing more in manchester than protesting about mobile phone masts. I dont care if you despise me..not in the slightest. You hid behind the notoriety of others...the only clowns in town mate are you and your gang. Irrelevant and equally despised.
 
The39thStep said:
Disappointing really
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First of all, congrats for the CL...I mean it!! Regards all this shite well your right it is dissapointing and I fall into it just as bad. It does come across like playground stuff ...but there are deeper issues here...the agenda they follow is disturbing and malevolent. They are only too willing to write off anyone elses contribution..they feel they have ownership of the fucking thing. If I was to outline chronologically what Ive done in the 'movement' both as an active street anti fascist..intelligence gatherer...community worker...trade union steward some of it simoultaneous then I would line up my track record against them any time. But that would belike whose got the biggest dick and quite honestly I dont feel I ought to. If you go back to 03 when NR came out you will be able to read some of the most disgusting pesonal attacks on myself and Dave. hardly suprising that OShea continues in that vein every so often when it goes quiet. These are the people who employed gangsters to lean on others..Im just reminded of ginger johns contribution to the debate. The issue is...they dont want anyone else taking the shine off their fucking lamp. And if anyones looking like they may be doing then they will launch personal attacks or reach for the gangsters to lean on people. As far as Im concerned they had their day up to early 90's then dissapeared from the fight..well done ..write a book and get on with some other project. But no they wheel out the old Searchlight shite..yawn..they dont want to listen and I dont want to have to explain myself so take it mate that things are unlikely to change and Ill have to settle for a 3 incher as my lot.
 
The other thing is mate branding people as Special branch is very dangerous talk. Give me your evidence. If not i wont tell people your a paedo
 
TopCat said:
Searchlight =Special Branch. Your in bed with one, you serve the agenda of the other.
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Listen not that I have to explain to you. I left Searchlight in 94 for reasons that are no big secret. I didnt speak to Gerry Gable for 17 years. I was not inner circle any more after that or any circle for that matter but through Unison and a couple of instances where my personal security was at risk had some dealings with the current HnH people at Searchlight before the split. You on the other hand do not explain anything, a faceless arse licker. Its far too easy for the likes of you to rubbish people when you have no credibilty of your own to defend. I suggest you move on with your life mate and stop your obsession with me. xxxx
 
I'm not obsessed with you at all.
I do however view any involvement with Searchlight very dimly indeed. If you re read this rather long thread you can see it's a continual theme of mine. You will see me bringing up the actions of RA on this very thread with regard to their relationship with Searchlight and my perceived view that they were less than supportive to Class war when Searchlight smeared the latter. Myself and JR had quite a debate about it. I was rather reassured by JR and the action of RA with regard to that matter.

You however seem rather proud of your involvement with Searchlight. Certainly you have used many tactics to avoid actually saying what you got up to with SL and the implications of that involvement. The bluster and the smears and the abuse are very very telling.
 
TopCat said:
I'm not obsessed with you at all.
I do however view any involvement with Searchlight very dimly indeed. If you re read this rather long thread you can see it's a continual theme of mine. You will see me bringing up the actions of RA on this very thread with regard to their relationship with Searchlight and my perceived view that they were less than supportive to Class war when Searchlight smeared the latter. Myself and JR had quite a debate about it. I was rather reassured by JR and the action of RA with regard to that matter.

You however seem rather proud of your involvement with Searchlight. Certainly you have used many tactics to avoid actually saying what you got up to with SL and the implications of that involvement. The bluster and the smears and the abuse are very very telling.
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Bluster and smears please Top Cat you are being silly...but who is SL. If you view every one who had dealings with Searchlight dimly then that would involve a lot of people.
 
bignose1 said:
Bluster and smears please Top Cat you are being silly...but who is SL. If you view every one who had dealings with Searchlight dimly then that would involve a lot of people.
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Sorry is SL searchlight. What I got up to..some of that is not for publication. I think you can understand that surely. Some is out in the open and not a big secret. But if you think I worked to any agenda to undermine the movement your fucking wrong and I feel you need to think about what motivates your obsession. I moved on in 94. Im not going into a confessional with you. Your not identifying yourself so get real. I first thought you were the property developer from Hatfield but clearly not now. So it aint going to happen. Im not answerable to you, Gable, Collins, Lowles or any other fucker you want to name. So please leave this thread or put yourself on offer if youve got any guts yourself.
 
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