Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'll tell alan he's being ripped off by poundshop fash next time I see him.
I don't think you can copywrite a circled V though, but I am not a lawyer so maybe you can.
I don't think you can copywrite a circled V though, but I am not a lawyer so maybe you can.
That'd be a trademark question. Fees to apply, fees to keep the trademark going...
Cheers. I've been having a look at some bits on the internet just now, it's made me think I should read it again as I'll probably get more from it as a (slightly) wiser old man.
It's also making me want to watch a certain 80s tv series
That was a great series
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
oh lordy!
'National Action is currently in debt to Warwick university for over £6000 court costs and although we are ignoring these claims it goes to show why as a organisation we are stuck in a rut. Our activism can only amount to what we can afford, if we had a million pounds we'd spend a million, if we have a pound we'd spend a pound. On that note if anyone would like to donate to this year's activism then please do.'
can someone draw it to the university's attention?
Danny Glam
New Member
Very sad to hear of Johns passing a great friend and ally from what seems now a long time ago,I lived with John Deason and Anna in Highbury when I eventually moved to London,and was present on every Right to work march,he was a great organiser,that's how I found my way to this forum,wondering what had become of him....I leave it now,wiser but sadder after hearing of Johns way to early demise.....he was a good friend,and what I saw and knew of the man made me very proud and very humble.Im not alone when I say a I will miss him....Formerly Danny Jones ex soldier and Right To Work Marcher......
Danny Glam
New Member
Sorry for the omission of Clarity,I'm talking about John Boyle ex Harlesden....
krink
I'll do it this afternoon
On Saturday we have the UK version of Pegida coming to our region. They were having a march through Newcastle but they gave in to the cops demands and will now have a rally at 11.00 am in the Bigg Market. The rally is turning out to be a get-together for the right as we are now expecting to see BNP, NF, EDL and several smaller groups (North West and North East Infidels, EVF, National Action). One of the known speakers is Paul Weston of Liberty GB. There are rumours that even Nick Griffin will make an appearance.
The anti-pegida demo is allowed to march but they have chosen to stay away from Pegida. Russell Brand and George Galloway have said they will be there for that.
Unfortunately, the fascists will probably have a pleasant day out (unless they fight amongst themselves) as there doesn't appear to be any appetite for any kind of confrontation in the anti-pegida camp of Labour, SWP, liberals and trots.
The anti-pegida demo is allowed to march but they have chosen to stay away from Pegida. Russell Brand and George Galloway have said they will be there for that.
Unfortunately, the fascists will probably have a pleasant day out (unless they fight amongst themselves) as there doesn't appear to be any appetite for any kind of confrontation in the anti-pegida camp of Labour, SWP, liberals and trots.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I wouldn't call a pleasant day out having to listen to Russell Brand and George Galloway
Is Duncan Donut organising the trot call-out again?
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Can Nigel Farage ever had a better 48 hours?
'Immigration Street' + net immigration figures + survey showing significant British Muslim affinity with Charlie Hebdo killers + the Jihadi John apologists speaking of "a beautiful young man" (but when questioned on C4 as to whether he had guessed JJ's identity prior to his recent unmasking, his adoring groupie then confessed that he had only met him "ten or eleven times").
Even Ukip wouldn't make it up.
They don't have to.
'Immigration Street' + net immigration figures + survey showing significant British Muslim affinity with Charlie Hebdo killers + the Jihadi John apologists speaking of "a beautiful young man" (but when questioned on C4 as to whether he had guessed JJ's identity prior to his recent unmasking, his adoring groupie then confessed that he had only met him "ten or eleven times").
Even Ukip wouldn't make it up.
They don't have to.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
we need a new antifascists thread for this pegida stuff etc ...
anyway, the organisers are in a bit didsarray, fallouts already especially over the start time, liaising with plod, calls for unity whilst slagging each other off. organisers far right links being exposed.
BNP, NF, EDL, Infidels, EVF, National Action all hate each other pretty much as do weston, and griffin.
anyway, the organisers are in a bit didsarray, fallouts already especially over the start time, liaising with plod, calls for unity whilst slagging each other off. organisers far right links being exposed.
BNP, NF, EDL, Infidels, EVF, National Action all hate each other pretty much as do weston, and griffin.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What we could do with is a thread about society not fetished by anti-fascism.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Saw a clip of a pre Pergida demonstration in Germany by Hooligans against Salafists. Normal sort of composition far right nut jobs, groups of supporters from different clubs , a few who attend cos their gut instinct tells them to even if they don't know or care who else might be attending. Surprise addition was a group of Kurds.
The Islamacists are also in the clip, and yet another Muslim convert is prominent Sven Lau who leads Sharia Patrols. Reminds me of 4Lions where the most fervent nutter was a recent convert.
The Islamacists are also in the clip, and yet another Muslim convert is prominent Sven Lau who leads Sharia Patrols. Reminds me of 4Lions where the most fervent nutter was a recent convert.
krink
I'll do it this afternoon
The pegida event was embarrassingly shit (350 max) with piss poor speakers and they kept playing patriotic music for which they had handed out lyric sheets (gstq, rule brittania etc). What was slightly concerning was the number of old school far right groups all together all speaking all getting on OK*. Hopefully, it goes nowhere and I suspect pegida will go the same way on this showing.
*as usual some EDL squabbled with each other and mistook 2 of their own for lefties but it was handbags.
*as usual some EDL squabbled with each other and mistook 2 of their own for lefties but it was handbags.
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
"Two cunts enter, no cunts leave"
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
the pegida thing was poorly organised and plod told em 11.am start due to some soccer team tournament. despite this start some were already pissed. golden dawn (2 guys), some BM (1 of the organisers), northern NF, assorted EDL, etc. the far right are constantly calling for unity then splintering into more groupuscules so it was a surprise this one turned out relatively well. we shall see how long that lasts. good turnout for us after some pretty small opposition of late i am very pleased to say. EDL are going down to brighton (probably for the publicity as they're aint much taliban activity in kemp town). next pegida up here in scotland. also antifascists had a good turnout against a tiny ukip conference. interesting weekend.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
In the mid-1990's Dr Richard Stone sometime chair of the Lawrence campaign openly wondered if 'we could find a way to outlaw racist thinking' flagged at the time in Red Action.
Now Trevor Phillips admits in a programme to broadcast this week on C4 that such thinking was fundamentally wrong; resulting in a significant boost in support for the likes of the BNP and now UKIP.
"Campaigners like me seriously believed that if we could prevent people expressing prejudiced ideas that eventually they would stop thinking them. But I'm now convinced we were utterly wrong."
That militants began to seriously question anti-racist orthodoxy more than two decades earlier ((see page 266/267 BTF) only to be casually dismissed as racist themselves illustrates how poisonous the entire liberal narrative was then, and continues in many other forms, to be today.
Now Trevor Phillips admits in a programme to broadcast this week on C4 that such thinking was fundamentally wrong; resulting in a significant boost in support for the likes of the BNP and now UKIP.
"Campaigners like me seriously believed that if we could prevent people expressing prejudiced ideas that eventually they would stop thinking them. But I'm now convinced we were utterly wrong."
That militants began to seriously question anti-racist orthodoxy more than two decades earlier ((see page 266/267 BTF) only to be casually dismissed as racist themselves illustrates how poisonous the entire liberal narrative was then, and continues in many other forms, to be today.
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krink
I'll do it this afternoon
Just watched that on channel 4. Wasn't impressed at all tbh. Liberal dismisses class out of hand.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Watched it last night. Very puzzling in that I am not sure who its target audience was or what, apart from Philips conclusion that he was wrong but now he is right ,the conclusion was for working class viewers .
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
What's your suggested strategy for countering UKIP who seem to be a far bigger threat than any of the far right grouplets?
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
i think that requires another thread as UKIP are an electoral threat whereas EDL/BF etc are at street level.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Even though this is a thread that deals with both electoral and street threats from the far right?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh let's ignore here the links between bf & ukip
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
I don't think he was addressing the working class of whatever colour at all. His aim seemed to be to convert others like himself; to alert them to the threat lurking beneath the surface. Diane Abbot for one was not impressed. On This Week she rubbished the programme, "nonsense"; Phillips own motivation, ("a knighthood" might be in the offing) and an Asian broadcaster for the temerity in suggesting that the cultural and religious background of the perps in Rotherham was in any way significant. He was "naive" she sneered. Instead she offered up a very specific set of political circumstances that led to key agencies turning a blind eye. If pressed she would no doubt have come up another set of specific conditions for Rochadale, Bradford. Keighly, Oxford etc where race/religion/culture did not feature at all. It's not likely he will ever convert her, but ironically, in her robust rebuttal she brilliantly confirmed his key point: anti-racism orthodoxy as preached, was very much part of the problem.
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