Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

[WAYWARD CHERRY]

Be sure to mention your relationship with your father.

From the book:

My Dad was what I would describe a racialist and told me if I ever came home with a non-white girl I would be disowned. He'd fought in the war and lied about his age to do so, was at the D-day landings and had many mates killed in that pointless brothers' war. I'd say he shared many NS beliefs without even realising it, though he hated me being a 'Nazi'. Years later before he died, I was glad to hear him say that if all the poor boys that had fought and died in the war against NS Germany could've looked into a crystal ball and seen the future of Britain, they would've welcomed Hitler with open arms. He was a Bren-gunner in the war and had got returned to Britain after being blown up, luckily his injuries hadn't been life threatening and after he recovered he was sent up north to guard German POWs. He said the Germans he met were good people, just like us British, only speaking a different language.

 

[Citizen66]

I'm here to discuss past confrontations in a civilised manner[b/], nothing more or less.

You even sound like LiamO.

 

[DrRingDing]

Liam, I have never claimed 'the reds' took Jubilee Gardens as a victory. Yes a few of Craneys lot got a kicking, but that is their fault for being late. I have never associated with glue sniffers and they were despised by proper 'right-wing' skinheads. I'm here to discuss past confrontations in a civilised manner, nothing more or less. Surely there will be interest in this book, from right across the political spectrum, as there will for yours too I am sure.

I'm sure as much interest as in your poetry.

 

[Citizen66]

Fidgemagnet just does them under the 'don't be a cunt' act.

Well there is that.

 

[WAYWARD CHERRY]

Look at the FAQ, bottom right hand side of the screen. But I suspect you've already broken it. Didn't you tick a box to say you'd read them when you sign up?

I ticked without reading it.

 

[equationgirl]

I ticked without reading it.

You surprise me

 

[DaveCinzano]

Fidgemagnet

Rule 15.3:

Do not piss about with user names

 

[equationgirl]

From the book:

My Dad was what I would describe a racialist and told me if I ever came home with a non-white girl I would be disowned. He'd fought in the war and lied about his age to do so, was at the D-day landings and had many mates killed in that pointless brothers' war. I'd say he shared many NS beliefs without even realising it, though he hated me being a 'Nazi'. Years later before he died, I was glad to hear him say that if all the poor boys that had fought and died in the war against NS Germany could've looked into a crystal ball and seen the future of Britain, they would've welcomed Hitler with open arms. He was a Bren-gunner in the war and had got returned to Britain after being blown up, luckily his injuries hadn't been life threatening and after he recovered he was sent up north to guard German POWs. He said the Germans he met were good people, just like us British, only speaking a different language.

a) I think you mean racist, not racialist.
b) I'm not surprised your dad hated you being a Nazi. He'd been injured fighting a war against that belief system.

 

[LiamO]

Liam, I have never claimed 'the reds' took Jubilee Gardens as a victory.

yes.

You did.

I have just PM'd you the email (dated 18/09/13) where you made exactly that claim. Would you still dispute you said it?

I hope you are left to stick around a while. It might make for an interesting discussion. But I suspect you will get flustered and then post something offensive so one of the pencil monitors can ask Sir to ban you.

 

[WAYWARD CHERRY]

a) I think you mean racist, not racialist.
b) I'm not surprised your dad hated you being a Nazi. He'd been injured fighting a war against that belief system.

No, I mean racialist, I refuse to use a word invented by Leon Trotsky with the intention of instilling guilt in indigenous peoples. No, he'd been conned into fighting to stop 'foreign invasion'.

 

[WAYWARD CHERRY]

yes.

You did.

I have just PM'd you the email (dated 18/09/13) where you made exactly that claim. Would you still dispute you said it?

I hope you are left to stick around a while. It might make for an interesting discussion. But I suspect you will get flustered and then post something offensive so one of the pencil monitors can ask Sir to ban you.

Well some of your lot did, just because a few of ours took a kicking. I don't recall you lot ever trying to attack an actual Skrewdriver or B & H gig - just RV points or stragglers.

 

[moonstomp]

Are you the one the that got his leg broke a few years ago ? knocked around with Whatmough ? I thought you just said real right wing skinheads didn't hang around with glue sniffers

 

[The39thStep]

From the book:

My Dad was what I would describe a racialist and told me if I ever came home with a non-white girl I would be disowned. He'd fought in the war and lied about his age to do so, was at the D-day landings and had many mates killed in that pointless brothers' war. I'd say he shared many NS beliefs without even realising it, though he hated me being a 'Nazi'. Years later before he died, I was glad to hear him say that if all the poor boys that had fought and died in the war against NS Germany could've looked into a crystal ball and seen the future of Britain, they would've welcomed Hitler with open arms. He was a Bren-gunner in the war and had got returned to Britain after being blown up, luckily his injuries hadn't been life threatening and after he recovered he was sent up north to guard German POWs. He said the Germans he met were good people, just like us British, only speaking a different language.

Interesting enough my father lied about his age to fight in the war as well.He was a pilot and was decorated, crashed abroad and made his way back. He always said Germans were just like us but spoke a different language as well. He had strong views on immigration in the 60s and 70s . He would have welcomed Hitler with open arms but they would have been round his throat and possibly the authors fathers throat as well. He hated Mosley and their fifth column more than he did what he called ' the jungle bunnies 'and 'the Pakis'.

 

[equationgirl]

No, I mean racialist, I refuse to use a word invented by Leon Trotsky with the intention of instilling guilt in indigenous peoples. No, he'd been conned into fighting to stop 'foreign invasion'.

Racialist is a term used by white supremacists in the main.

 

[WAYWARD CHERRY]

Are you the one the that got his leg broke a few years ago ? knocked around with Whatmough ? I thought you just said real right wing skinheads didn't hang around with glue sniffers

It was a fractured ankle and I've never seen any proof to suggest Watmough was a glue sniffer. Even if he was, the 80s was a long time ago and I very much doubt he does these days.

 

[WAYWARD CHERRY]

Interesting enough my father lied about his age to fight in the war as well.He was a pilot and was decorated, crashed abroad and made his way back. He always said Germans were just like us but spoke a different language as well. He had strong views on immigration in the 60s and 70s . He would have welcomed Hitler with open arms but they would have been round his throat and possibly the authors fathers throat as well. He hated Mosley and their fifth column more than he did what he called ' the jungle bunnies 'and 'the Pakis'.

You have no real concept of national socialism do you? Us 'English' are Anglo-Saxons and as such are Germanic. I didn't see the Germans mistreating any of their other allies, like the Italians or Vichy French and they would not have mistreated us either if 'we had welcomed them with open arms.'

 

[Blagsta]

You have no real concept of national socialism do you? Us 'English' are Anglo-Saxons and as such are Germanic. I didn't see the Germans mistreating any of their other allies, like the Italians or Vichy French and they would not have mistreated us either if 'we had welcomed them with open arms.'

Speak for yourself.

 

[WAYWARD CHERRY]

Racialist is a term used by white supremacists in the main.

I'm actually a white separatist.

 

[WAYWARD CHERRY]

Interesting enough my father lied about his age to fight in the war as well.He was a pilot and was decorated, crashed abroad and made his way back. He always said Germans were just like us but spoke a different language as well. He had strong views on immigration in the 60s and 70s . He would have welcomed Hitler with open arms but they would have been round his throat and possibly the authors fathers throat as well. He hated Mosley and their fifth column more than he did what he called ' the jungle bunnies 'and 'the Pakis'.

Many members of the BUF fought against Hitler. There really was no 'fifth column'.

 

[Citizen66]

You have no real concept of national socialism do you? Us 'English' are Anglo-Saxons and as such are Germanic. I didn't see the Germans mistreating any of their other allies, like the Italians or Vichy French and they would not have mistreated us either if 'we had welcomed them with open arms.'

How would they have treated the English working class, homosexuals and disabled folk?

 

[equationgirl]

I'm actually a white separatist.

That's hardly any better.

 

[Citizen66]

I'm actually a white separatist.

He's right on this point though. There is a difference between racism and racialism. Although the latter tends to breed the former.

 

[WAYWARD CHERRY]

How would they have treated the English working class, homosexuals and disabled folk?

How did Stalin treat the Ukranians?

 

[Citizen66]

How did Stalin treat the Ukranians?

lolz

I'm an anarchist. Try again.

 

[WAYWARD CHERRY]

lolz

I'm an anarchist. Try again.

Then perhaps you already know many of the early anarchists were anti-Jewish?

 

[Citizen66]

I'm actually a white separatist.

Third position?

 

[WAYWARD CHERRY]

Third position?

No, that is religious BS.

 

[Citizen66]

Then perhaps you already know many of the early anarchists were anti-Jewish?

I don't. But then I don't identify myself with people I've never met who died before I was born.

 

[WAYWARD CHERRY]

I don't. But then I don't identify myself with people I've never met who died before I was born.

So what brand of leftism do you subscribe to?

 

[Citizen66]

So what brand of leftism do you subscribe to?

Libertarian Communism.