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Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

Just flicked through Dorril's MI6 doorstop - Clutterbuck has a passing mention as advising that a 1994 conference on terrorism be reorientated around drug trafficking, as 'there's hardly any terrorism in Europe these days' :D
 
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Just read the BNP 'bombshell' of the EDL. Obviously self-serving but appears to be well researched (possibly with the help of someone on the inside) and does have some genuinely interesting stuff which confirms more than a few suspicions about the rise and curious nature of the EDL.

Though that might be because I hadn't been paying sufficient attention.

Odd though given the focus on and fascination with the EDL both in the media and on the left that it took a fascist to do it?

I also find it a little surpising that it dosen't seem to warrant a mention on Urban and also seems to getting the cold-shoulder on Stromfront too.

To my mind it more than resembles Larry O' H's exploration of Hope not Hate and the equally tangled web of string-pullers that lie behind it.

And with Nick Lowles claims about the threat the EDL supposedly represented, more than a touch symbiotic too.

From the off for seasoned anti-fascists there was always something artifcial about the EDL.

For example in the early days an EDL rep appeared on the one of the Man U discussion sites. 'He' was on for near 24 hours solid, when 'Demu' asked him one simple question - 'What is the EDL end game?' Innoccous enough you might think. but it did cause the EDL propaganda offensive to instantly abort.

It is only when you read the dissection of the EDL that you understand why it was a question that proved impossible to answer.
 
Just read the BNP 'bombshell' of the EDL. Obviously self-serving but appears to be well researched (possibly with the help of someone on the inside) and does have some genuinely interesting stuff which confirms more than a few suspicions about the rise and curious nature of the EDL.

Though that might be because I hadn't been paying sufficient attention.

Odd though given the focus on and fascination with the EDL both in the media and on the left that it took a fascist to do it?

I also find it a little surpising that it dosen't seem to warrant a mention on Urban and also seems to getting the cold-shoulder on Stromfront too.

To my mind it more than resembles Larry O' H's exploration of Hope not Hate and the equally tangled web of string-pullers that lie behind it.

And with Nick Lowles claims about the threat the EDL supposedly represented, more than a touch symbiotic too.

From the off for seasoned anti-fascists there was always something artifcial about the EDL.

For example in the early days an EDL rep appeared on the one of the Man U discussion sites. 'He' was on for near 24 hours solid, when 'Demu' asked him one simple question - 'What is the EDL end game?' Innoccous enough you might think. but it did cause the EDL propaganda offensive to instantly abort.

It is only when you read the dissection of the EDL that you understand why it was a question that proved impossible to answer.


Have you got a link to the article?
 
It did warrant a mention on here.

Fair enough. I did warn I wasn't paying attention. I'm not entirely convinced that the video and the printed speech - though they share a theme - are actually identical.

Be that as it may what still strikes me as curious is that here you have what Griffin describes as a 'false nationalism' being opposed by what O'Hara showed to be a 'false anti-fascism' and why so few on here have anything worthwhile to say on it.

It seems to me the implications could hardly be more profound.

The other of curiousity is the role of the media. I distinctly remember Paxman on Newsnight fairly early on referring to the 'EDL' as if it was of an established vintage and what a contrast it was with the media generally who after twenty years of the 'Troubles' could hardly distinguish their UDA's from their UDR's (republicans might argue that there wasn't much to distinguish them anyway) never mind their UVF's.

So we have a far-right grouping that comes out of nowhere, can put thousands on the streets at a moment's notice and the curiousity of the media ends with uncovering the nom de guerre of Mr Lennon. And that (apart from the digging up of Alan Lake by the Sunday Times) was it. As is now evident Lake himself is pretty small fry, in the wider scheme of things.

Official anti-fascism dosen't come out of it any better pulled hither and thither. Manipulated from within and without. First, the EDL are denounced as an adjunct to the BNP. Then they are cast as an alternative to the BNP. Nick Lowles announces that they are the 'most dangerous street presence' since the NF in the 1970's, while in fact the EDL were generally law-abiding and compliant with the police and their own stewards (whoever they were?) and all told hardly broke more than a kebab house window, does make comparison with the NF/BM who gloried in all sorts of mayhem, including grisly murders look grotesque.

Then the SWP decide the EDL who arevery publicly pro Israel are 'proto fascist' which is not impossible, but does rather rip up their own Holocaust heavy criteria and propaganda. And on it goes.

On stormfront meanwhile Griffin is described as 'a state agent and sell-out' etc while on here genuine anti-fascists are labelled 'Lumpen Strasserites' by an individual (who to some may well appear 'nuttier than squirrel shit', and I quote) is nevertheless a supporter of, and has had sit down meets with leading figures in Hope not Hate, and is pursuing a strategy on here and on other sites of presenting physical force anti-fascism as having been set up and led by mis-fits and gangsters in a style that is practically indistinguishable from that of say C18.

All I'm saying, is that now might be a good for all concerned to take stock.
 
odd that griffin was attempting to court the edl last year despite the fact 'that the edl was declared a proscribed organisation.' he was happy to appear alongside them at hyde and blackpool with the casuals. then realising he wasnt welcome took a turn against them again. maybe larry is the one to ask?
 
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The proscription of the EDL was announced in a formal statement by then BNP national organiser Eddy Butler in September 2009 as follows: “The reasons for this proscription are that the English Defence League, through its activities, brings nationalist and patriotic politics into disrepute. If the English Defence League is not instigated by and its activities are not encouraged by the state (which it quite possibly is), then the track record of this organisation shows that it is run by people who will only bring discredit and probable arrest for anyone who attends its events.
 
odd that griffin was attempting to court the edl last year despite the fact 'that the edl was declared a proscribed organisation.' he was happy to appear alongside them at hyde and blackpool with the casuals. then realising he wasnt welcome took a turn against them again. maybe larry is the one to ask?

As he now makes clear at every opportunity, Griffin believes the EDL rank and file be laundable and their motives to be entirely genuine, (no doubt he is now looking to court them too) unlike the distant stringpullers/and funders which he has happily outed. The real question is why is was left to the leader of the BNP to out them?
 
joe, one possible reason that antifascists have been very cautious about calling the 'edl a zionist front' is that it is using the rhetoric of the hardcore nazis (and also with these nazis, it all boils down to ZOG and 'the joos'). he is also using this new found wisdom to drag the more hardcore racists back to the bnp. im surprised larry aint been on this.
 
As he now makes clear at every opportunity, Griffin believes the EDL rank and file be laundable and their motives to be entirely genuine, (no doubt he is now looking to court them too) unlike the distant stringpullers/and funders which he has happily outed. The real question is why is was left to the leader of the BNP to out them?

Is Griffin right in his remarks/claims you reckon?
 
As he now makes clear at every opportunity, Griffin believes the EDL rank and file be laundable and their motives to be entirely genuine, (no doubt he is now looking to court them too) unlike the distant stringpullers/and funders which he has happily outed. The real question is why is was left to the leader of the BNP to out them?
What else do you believe cyclops on...dearie dearie me...
 
Denis put Gary right about this will you ..........Man U....tut tut

There is no doubt some-small numbers it ahs to be said-Man U have been invovled in some EDL and fash games over the past few years. How that came about is anyone's guess but there have been a small number notable by their presence. Possibly a link via Hibs onto Oldham. Possibly just younger heads not sharing their seniors views. This has happened at Hibs recently.

In what respect?

As in his claims re 'famnous' political; backers and the EDL string-pullers. What makes you think her's right?
 
There is no doubt some-small numbers it ahs to be said-Man U have been invovled in some EDL and fash games over the past few years. How that came about is anyone's guess but there have been a small number notable by their presence. Possibly a link via Hibs onto Oldham. Possibly just younger heads not sharing their seniors views. This has happened at Hibs recently.

Bound to be United fans involved given the size of the fan base of United.

Maybe less well represented, but, still bound to be involved.
 
joe, one possible reason that antifascists have been very cautious about calling the 'edl a zionist front' is that it is using the rhetoric of the hardcore nazis (and also with these nazis, it all boils down to ZOG and 'the joos'). he is also using this new found wisdom to drag the more hardcore racists back to the bnp. im surprised larry aint been on this.
I am not so sure about that, for an old friend of mine from the swp days (now a maoist) this was the only relevant point- "the EDL say they are pro Israel, there are israeli flags on their demos, and one of their donors is a 'zionist' THEREFORE the israeli state is fascist and supports fascists"
we don't talk so much nowadays
 
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