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BBC2 Conspiracy Files Kollerstrom et pals pwnage

they have the mod bang to rights disciplines of chaos:D
pity its mostly there own employees they practice on:(
 
Quite BA.

Still, no one has yet told me how his press sec that he bought over from his time at the EU had the time or indeed any kind of connection with rehersing loads of actors to fake a turrist attack.
 
kyser_soze said:
Quite BA.

Still, no one has yet told me how his press sec that he bought over from his time at the EU had the time or indeed any kind of connection with rehersing loads of actors to fake a turrist attack.
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The Peter Power in question is a disaster management specialist who happened to say something on the BBC, the wording of which lead to loons jumping all over it as proof that the attack was a conspiracy.

I must admit that when I hear of training exercises occuring on the same day as terror attacks, I do raise an eyebrow, but not in the way the loons do.
 
Ahhh, I see.

Wow, how likely is that? 2 Peter Powers both working in some kind of public sector capacity high enough up the ranks to get press time...
 
kyser_soze said:
Ahhh, I see.

Wow, how likely is that? 2 Peter Powers both working in some kind of public sector capacity high enough up the ranks to get press time...
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tbf, if your surname was Power, there's only so many sons you could name Max before it got confusing, and Peter Power's a good* standby option IMO.






*not as good as Richard Power mind;)
 
It says something about Daniel Obachike that even some 9/11 'truthers' (for example Belinda McKenzie) were hesitant about letting him into their little club.

If your views are so potty the 'truth' movement doubt you, really are way out....
 
Paul Marsh said:
It says something about Daniel Obachike that even some 9/11 'truthers' (for example Belinda McKenzie) were hesitant about letting him into their little club.

If your views are so potty the 'truth' movement doubt you, really are way out....
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having read through his blog daniel is either an absolute egomaniac and complete fantacist or quite possibly not very well
 
elbows said:
I must admit that when I hear of training exercises occuring on the same day as terror attacks, I do raise an eyebrow, but not in the way the loons do.
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Only because you don't realise how often they are done ... (and because Peter Power, being something of an egotist and seeing an oppotunity to big up his company, rather exaggerated the detail of his exercise when a camera was stuck in his face ... :rolleyes:)

I had run one the week before and was due to do one on the same day but we changed it to a fraud awareness session.

There's probably several being held somewhere in London on every day of the week, some large, some small.
 
Yeah I can imagine that being the case, and dont worry as I raise an eyebrow frequently anyway, without reaching silly conclusions.
 
mmmmmm nano thermite...

*drools*

troofers must be have felt really silly when they annouced that.....hang on, it wasn't in the mainstream news? Why'sthatthen?
 
Unmasking the mysterious 7/7 conspiracy theorist:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8124687.stm

Muad Dib hangs much of his conspiracy theory on the fact that on 7 July 2005, there was a mock exercise preparing for a possible terror attack on the London underground, with a very similar scenario to what happened - three London stations. This he describes as "an unbelievable set of circumstances".

But Peter Power, a former Scotland Yard police officer, says on 7 July, the exercise he ran was office-based and involved just six people from a publishing company.

The Conspiracy Files 7/7, a BBC documentary, tracked Muad Dib down, eventually finding him in the small town of Kells in Ireland. He is in fact John Hill, from Sheffield.
His alias, Muad Dib, is a fictional character in the science fiction film Dune, a film about inter-galactic freedom fighting, from which he seems to draw inspiration.

A document on Muad Dib's website reveals he believes he is the Messiah and that George Lucas wrote Star Wars after being told telepathically what to write, by the very "Force" to which the films refer.
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Only caught half of this last night (watching the rest tonight) but what I saw of it it was very good. There was a genuine lol from me when the cameras went into the truthers meeting. They really look like a credible bunch, don't they? :D

I'm quite flabbergasted at the amount of drivel BK has had to endure from this lot and have a lot of admiration for the way she's handled it.

Looking forward to watching the rest tonight. Good programme. My only criticism is that they go in for the flashy graphic style. This doesn't really add anything, imo. It was a bit Day Today at times. It's a minor criticism, though - the research / major points were spot on.
 
Missed it as I was playing cricket. (Stumped for 1:()

Going to watch it on BBCi Player now.

Will be interested to see how many 9/11 truth clowns I can spot dressed as 7/7 truth clowns...........
 
Seems to me they made a mess of refuting the claim that Blair knew the bombers were Muslims before the police did. In fact their clips wiith Paddick strenghtened the conspiraloons case.

The Blair Statement in context: "In addition, I welcome the statement put out by the Muslim Council who know that those people acted in the name of Islam but who also know that the vast and overwhelming majority of Muslims, here and abroad, are decent and law-abiding people who abhor this act of terrorism every bit as much as we do."

So did they get the timeline wrong? Did they use the wrong clip? What should they have said that?
 
The Blair statement was 8 hours after the bombings.

The bombs went off at 8.50am (three of them) and the last one at c.9.45am
( bus). Once passengers were out, police went in.

They found suicide bombers' remains, ( yes, it is possible to tell that the remains were of suicide bombers but I am not going to post why for the Truther ghouls to read and slaver over). The explosions and the positioning of the remains were entirely commesurate with suicide bombers. Police forensic teams had quite a bit of experience in examining blast scenes as a result of the IRA campaign, Copeland etc etc.

There was also a website put up on behalf of 'Al Qaeda in Europe' which stated 'now Britain is burning with fear and panic in its north, south, east and west'. The summer of 2004 had been spent with the police and security services at full stretch over Islamist cells in the UK. The police had recieved Operation Kratos training in shooting suicide bombers in the head after 9/11.

The judgement was therefore made quite reasonably - following initial forensic examination of the sites which had been going on for several hours before Blair made his remarks - that this was Islamist suicide bombers.

It's rather difficult to explain the presence of MSK et pals' bodies and explosives carried in rucksacks - not to mention the car full of hommade bombs, martyrdom videos, presence of the bombers at training camps on the AfPak border, if it was M15 or Mossad doing it all, eh?

How incredibly fortuitous that the 'patsies' got on the right trains in the right places at the right time having done the right training in the right camps years before, had the right 'this is a war and I am a soldier' mindset...the stuff that the conspiracy theorists come out with is ignorant at best, malicious at worst. The Blair statement does not prove foreknowledge. It proves he got briefed by people who had been onsite for some hours - well, you'd expect a PM to have access to that info, wouldn't you?

Yes, he leapt on the disaster to push through a bunch of authoritarian laws. That's what authoritarian bastard politicians do. To get from that to 'let it happen on purpose or made it happen on purpose' is completely illogical.
 
Badger Kitten said:
Yes, he leapt on the disaster to push through a bunch of authoritarian laws. That's what authoritarian bastard politicians do. To get from that to 'let it happen on purpose or made it happen on purpose' is completely illogical.
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this is the real insanity, the 7/7 bombs were a nightmare for blair, as protest about the iraq war was at its highest suddenly it was brought right onto the doorstep

look how hard blair tried to distance the bombings from having any connection with iraq later
 
from a report on kollrstroms event from indymedia
Daniel Obachike wrote a book called The 4th Bomb claimimg that he was on the number 30 bus which was blown up on 7/7. He has also claimed that founders, members and supporters of We Are Change UK are a front for the MOD. This includes Andy Baker, Garetth Newnham and Toseef. He claimed to have "hard evidence" that they are working for MI5 / MOD. Last night he was to present this.

When curious people arrived at the Conway Hall we were told that MI6 had "cancelled" the meeting. The Conway Hall claim that the organisers of the meeting, Nick Kellerstrom who was launching his book and Danile Obachike, accompanied by two of his doormen mates, cancelled the meeting themselves on the 24th June.

We then all handed over £5 to the doormen with Daniel which was to pay for the use of the "secret venue".

We were taken to a closed pub, the Ivy. When we got there Danile did not try to get in. He did not try the door. He did not look through the window. He did not phone anyone. What he did was to shout "Look! Look what they are doing! MI6 have closed the pub." We found out from the neigbours that the pub had been closed for a while.

We were then taken to the secret venue, another pub near Holborn which had two rooms reserved for free and which were booked two weeks ago by Daniel. His presentation consisted of a photo of him and some handouts claiming that We Are Change UK are "MOD". He gave NO hard eveidence which he claimed to have to support his claims. He said the Andy Baker is MOD "because he has a shifty face" and the Gareth Newnham is MOD "because he is bossy".


He did not have anything else.

When people asked for their money back Nick Kellerstrom siad the venue was expensive and had to be paid for. He did not know that Daniel had giot the room for free. The doormen were however paid the going minder rate. One of the doormen at least had to decency to be embarrassed and said he was "just doing a job" but nevertheless is a mate of Daniel's. [Lose him and fast if I were you my friend].
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:D
 
Badger Kitten said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/8107594.stm

As I know some people here have been awaiting news of transmission. Starring Nick 'Swimming Pool and Orchestra of Auschwitz' Kollerstrom, Tony 'Goose' Gosling, and John Anthony 'Muad Dib'/ Ripple Effect/JAH the Sheffield Messiah' Hill and others, but strangely not including 'Prole', of u75 fame, since she is unable to support investigative Journalism which Doesn't Believe.

BBC2 30th June 9pm
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Made of win, BK. Made of win :D
Watch The Conspiracy Files on BBC iplayer
 
Just watched it. Or rather listened to it - can't have too much Gosling on my screen...

Some initial conclusions:

  • the "even-handed" style really isn't working here. Only someone who watches all the way through will get the message - and who does that these days?
  • with any luck, conspiranoids will have disabling breakdowns failing to decide whether to show it in scout halls as BBC Spreading Their Message, or denounce it
  • I'm going to get a shave in the morning. So many mad beards!
  • unfortunately, other conspiranoids will splice together extracts to claim the BBC supports them
  • someone, somewhere deep in the making of this, may have had a thought about conspiranoids' need for attention, their need to be Special and the mere beginnings of a thought about the disordered-thought pattern of their texts - but it got lost on the cutting-room floor :(
  • :) at Kollerstrom confronted with the King's X video
    • but the VT editors lost the intro about him claiming it couldn't exist
    • and they also lost the bit where he adjusts his story afterwards - which is the key to showing that these people are ill
 
Oh, and I have a suspicion Peter Powers' paper exercise may have taken place in the building to which I walked from the East End that afternoon :)
 
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