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Dutch city plans to pay all citizens a ‘basic income’, and Greens say it could work in the UK

“We don’t call it a basic income in Utrecht because people have an idea about it – that it is just free money and people will sit at home and watch TV,” said Heleen de Boer, a Green councillor in that city, which is half an hour south of Amsterdam.

Nevertheless, the municipalities are, in the words of de Boer, taking a “small step” towards a basic income for all by allowing small groups of benefit claimants to be paid £660 a month – and keep any earnings they make from work on top of that. Their monthly pay will not be means-tested. They will instead have the security of that cash every month, and the option to decide whether they want to add to that by finding work. The outcomes will be analysed by eminent economist Loek Groot, a professor at the University of Utrecht.
 
Just watched Guy Standing video posted by J Ed.He is clearly angry that the 'Precariat' live lives characterised by wholly unwarranted deference to grasping employers,lives dominated by fear.He may very well be right in my view that Citizens Basic Income could be the antidote.But who is going to judge the success or failure of the 'pilot-schemes' he wishes to see implemented?Probably the very neo-liberal elites who are benefitting most from the new deference.It won't happen-unfortunately.
 
The problem with pilot schemes is that it seems to be the effect of basic income can only be judged if it is implemented nation wide ... And then there's the issue of what rate of income is effective and affordable.
 
Standing takes the position that the 'precariat' are a potential fascist block of human dust waiting to happen, He confuses things like underclass (leaving aside the use of that term for now, i'm just using it to stand for un/underemployed in sink estates, low-income areas with little or no possibility of moving 'upwards', facing increasing absolute poverty, policed by the social security policy measures and no longer (or never) socialised by work (ugh)) with the precariat (skilled people on temp contracts, having to pay themselves to upgrade skills etc, often choosing to work min hours in lieu of high wages+fighting over relatively high rates of pay on individual basis). By confusing the two he ends up arguing that the former must be 'brought on board' with the serious moral society that people like him represent before they bring us all down - and that basic income may be one way to try and do this. It's paternalist top-down state-led nonsense rather a class imposition on capital and i would suggest those coming at it from the latter perspective (of it a moment of our power) use him very warily.
 
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Maybe this is covered up-thread but is CBI in any way compatible with EU membership? Could I as a UK citizen move to Finland in a week or so and live out my days on their CBI and if not how are they able to prevent that?
 
Maybe this is covered up-thread but is CBI in any way compatible with EU membership? Could I as a UK citizen move to Finland in a week or so and live out my days on their CBI and if not how are they able to prevent that?

You'd need to look into whether the UK has a reciprocal welfare agreement with Finland (we do with about half of other EU members), and if so, what is covered.
 
You'd need to look into whether the UK has a reciprocal welfare agreement with Finland (we do with about half of other EU members), and if so, what is covered.
Thanks VP I had rather naively assumed that my entitlements to welfare would be the same as those of a Finnish person just by virtue of the fact that we are all citizens of the EU.If ,as seems to be the case,member states can restrict welfare payments to their own nationals I can't see what would prevent Cameron from preventing EU migrants to the UK from claiming benefits in the first four years?I may be confusing separate issues here.
 
Thanks VP I had rather naively assumed that my entitlements to welfare would be the same as those of a Finnish person just by virtue of the fact that we are all citizens of the EU.If ,as seems to be the case,member states can restrict welfare payments to their own nationals I can't see what would prevent Cameron from preventing EU migrants to the UK from claiming benefits in the first four years?I may be confusing separate issues here.

If I want to live in Germany, I lose access to some specific benefits (ESA being the main one), but keep equivalent access to others (the big stumbling block for me is losing access to free-at-source medical treatment and free prescriptions, or I'd already be living there) as we have a reciprocity agreement for basic benefits.
When Cameron sounds off, he (and the rest of the scumbags) always imply that EU migrants to the UK are able to claim the full panoply of benefits from the off,and that they'll legislate to stop that. The reality is that if you're, for example, Hungarian or Lithuanian, you're only entitled to Income Support, have to wait 6 months before you can claim anything but "hardship payments", and have no recourse to public housing or funding for housing for (IIRC) 2 years. Similar for Poles, I believe. As usual, the Tories are talking up something as a problem that isn't actually a problem, in order to deflect attention from other things (such as Osborne's dogshit-poor management of the economy).
 
Evgeny Morozov (for it is he) skewers the techbro's attempt to use Basic Income as a Trojan horse for their obnoxious "libertarian" bullshit:

Silicon Valley talks a good game on ‘basic income’, but its words are empty | Evgeny Morozov

This is absolutely true. The prospect of a basic income one day is increasingly used to justify politics in the here and now which are destroying lives. When you confront people about the actual consequences of these politics these days you often get the reply, 'it will all be fine after basic income' as if the ruling class is more, rather than less, likely to give us a basic income as we become increasingly incapable of forcing them to do so.
 
I've never heard a privatising, service cutting politician use basic income as a fig leaf... The only time I hear it mentioned as a counterbalance is by panicky right winger economists who understand the contradictions of capitalism, and see which way the wind is blowing.....

As to the forcing of basic income it's going to be failed central bankers and other economic geniuses who encourage it, rather than the population at large
 
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