Funky_monks
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Synthetic non meat alternatives by default need a massive industrial process.
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hiraethified
Er, there's already plenty of small scale vegan producers so you can stop with this ridiculous FUD bollocks right now.
You mentioned the year 1900. A generation after the famine and yes ..there were huge numbers of poorer people living outside the cities. They were not for the most part, horse owners. The poorer people in cities definitely didnt own a horse.
It was a mark of relative wealth to own a horse.
And yes...the majority of ordinary Irish people were very poor.
The middle classes could afford a horse and carriage...
Im a bit surprised that you think it really wasnt a big deal to own a horse and carriage.
As for the phoenix park Invincibles...they were into gun running and smuggling. They also had significant backing from the US Clan na Gael. No doubt someone foot the bill for horses and more.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
That produce the lab grown synthetic meat Rik was talking about?
Saul Goodman
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hiraethified
You're just making up anti-vegan scaremongering nonsense. You have absolutely no fucking idea how the technology will or will not trickle down or be adapted by small producers. None
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Rik said:
Those, by default are massive industrial processes. Nobody cultures fucking cellular meat in their back kitchen.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
If everybody suddenly stops eating meat, do you think McDonald's, KFC et al will simply roll over and go out of business, or do you think they'll simply become the biggest non-meat burger suppliers?
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Starry Wisdom
1900 at least 2 generations after 1846-9. I'm not saying everyone had a horse but that they weren't all owned by the rich. You're arguing against things I haven't said. Oh and if you've any evidence Myles Kavanagh's cab or horse was bought with gold from America I'd love to see it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This Nature article from December last year provides a decent overview of the current state of the science of cellular agriculture. The article is extremely upbeat in its tone more than its actual content. There are still plenty of technical hurdles to be overcome. I wouldn't be making any confident predictions about it taking over from meat in the near future. In 10 years' time? No way. The fundamental research is still being done. And then there is the scaling factor, which hasn't been solved. These problems might be overcome, of course, but there are no guarantees.
Will cell-based meat ever be a dinner staple?
Will cell-based meat ever be a dinner staple?
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Starry Wisdom
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hiraethified
Again, you have absolutely no fucking idea how this industry will pan out, so you just trot out made up nonsense as facts , based on anything you can think of that will damn the non-meat industry.
Argentinian cultured meat supplier on its 'all-in-one' cell line: 'We offer cells that can grow fast and reduce costs'
Cell Farm Food Tech is developing stem cell lines to provide cultured meat companies with a high-quality starter material from “champion” Argentine Hereford and Angus beef.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Ironically, Cargill- a massive meat processing corporation just disparaged by Rik, also produces synthetic meat. These companies aren't stupid, and there's the added bonus that processes like that can be protected legally.
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hiraethified
I don't give a fucking shit to be honest, but if they're going to exist, I'd rather them sell food that isn't the result of horrendous cruelty and needless environmental damage.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
And how fast do you think Cargill or some other industrial producers will either a) buy the company or b) produce their own and fuck them with economies of scale?Again, you have absolutely no fucking idea how this industry will pan out, so you just trot out made up nonsense as facts , based on anything you can think of that will damn the non-meat industry.
Argentinian cultured meat supplier on its 'all-in-one' cell line: 'We offer cells that can grow fast and reduce costs'
Cell Farm Food Tech is developing stem cell lines to provide cultured meat companies with a high-quality starter material from “champion” Argentine Hereford and Angus beef.www.foodnavigator-latam.com
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Anybody who thinks the biggest meat suppliers won't become the biggest non-meat suppliers is deluded. It's an absolutely inevitable.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Its fucking difficult to copyright growing an animal, though, which by default doesn't need to be processed into anything.
And: they already are.
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hiraethified
I've no idea if that will happen and neither have have you. None at all, yet you keep repeating this line like it's a fact,
But earlier you were emphatically claiming that only big mega corporates would have the means to produce lab grown meat. And you are totally wrong.
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Five companies at the forefront of the cultured meat revolution
IDTechEx Research Article: IDTechEx explore five companies at the forefront of the cultured meat revolution, based on analysis from the recent report, Plant-based and Cultured Meat 2020-2030.
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8 European foodtech startups that intend to bring lab-grown meat to your table soon
While various solutions for cultured meat are on cards, here are some promising European startups that are at the forefront.
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Saul Goodman
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But they'll be both, because meat isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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hiraethified
Again, I don't give a shit.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
They are already doing it.I've no idea if that will happen and neither have have you. None at all, yet you keep repeating this line like it's a fact,
But earlier you were emphatically claiming that only big mega corporates would have the means to produce lab grown meat. And you are totally wrong.
Meet 7 Startups Creating Lab-Grown Meat - Nanalyze
We cover a ton of disruptive technologies here at Nanalyze so that our readers understand what’s out there that may be worth investing in as opportunities present themselves. The hope is that we learn something cool and make a few bucks in the process. It also doesn’t hurt that much of the...Five companies at the forefront of the cultured meat revolution
IDTechEx Research Article: IDTechEx explore five companies at the forefront of the cultured meat revolution, based on analysis from the recent report, Plant-based and Cultured Meat 2020-2030.www.idtechex.com8 European foodtech startups that intend to bring lab-grown meat to your table soon
While various solutions for cultured meat are on cards, here are some promising European startups that are at the forefront.
Its not a case of "if". Its happened and is on your supermarket shelves. Vertical integration with a retailer would make them unstoppable
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Starry Wisdom
Ah the intricate cut and thrust of debate is a joy to behold 
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You missed the point there, though. As that enthusiastic Nature article makes clear, synthetic meat is still very much at the proof of concept stage, give or take a few chicken nuggets produced more or less as a novelty - I'm sure they're very expensive. It's not even yet clear how nutritious it will be.
Meanwhile, the big challenge for viability will be scaling up. That does represent a different kind of challenge from meat production, which people can do in their gardens.
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Starry Wisdom
Which the people who have gardens... You are of course talking to a man (editor) who has no garden
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
You know that this is the same argument on both sides. Everyone's convinced that meat AND meat alternatives are absolutely fine because they can name small producers of either. But in the meantime the big corporations are laughing all the way to the bank, because it may not be you that's buying from the big producers (you probably are, though) but plenty of people are. So maybe it's time to recognise who the massive, corporate, polluting enemy actually is.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Greedy capitalists are the problem. They're the cause of just about every problem, but its easier for some to point the finger at the consumer, especially so if it makes them feel better about their own life choices.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Whilst this is true, it's much more difficult for the processors to get a handle in actually producing beef and sheep, mostly because it requires land to do so, which people are not always willing to sell.
Poultry is vertically integrated because its easy to control. Synthetic meat will go the same way, and they'll be able to copyright the process.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Ah the intricate cut and thrust of debate is a joy to behold
It's not bad entertainment, tbf. It was getting a little dull but the cultured meat thing has picked it up a bit. Could do with another veganist or two though.
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