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hiraethified
Sorry, what's a 'normal' vegan and what percentage are, presumably, abnormal?
Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth
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ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Where's the whining?
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hiraethified
Could you give some examples?
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Well, I don’t. It’s called farming. You’ll find the proportion of the global population who consider it abuse to be vanishingly small, and mostly confined to a certain segment of Western middle-class extremists.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
As in apparently I wasn’t the first person to coin it. It shouldnt have been taken to mean that I had analysed the screenshotted article and considered the author, hosting organisation and their founders to be totally awesome.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
And fragile carnist isn't? Who's being fragile?
"Fragile carnists" is really useful though. At least insofar as categorizing the user is concerned.
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You could start a new thread on that where a discussion can be had without shouts of whataboutery and accusations of fascism. Maybe make it less about personal choices and more about large scale changes that may be needed to how food is produced. If you do good luck.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
We need to eat or we'll die. I think we all get that. Unfortunately, we live in a world where, unless you have a fuckton of money* and/or energy resources, it's difficult to be virtuous in what we eat. And in any case it'd be almost impossible whatever your resources, to be completely ethically amazingly wonderful in your food choices.
So yeah, what we eat on the whole impacts the environment, other human beings and indeed animals. You can't realistically cut out everything that has a negative impact on all of the above or you'd die. One way that can make quite a big difference is to stop eating meat. If people choose to eat meat well knock yourselves out, but please don't tell me I have to cut out this or that until I end up eating grass in order to "be constistent". Or do, whatever, but it's kind of silly.
*Having a fuckton of money isn't virtuous anyway, so
So yeah, what we eat on the whole impacts the environment, other human beings and indeed animals. You can't realistically cut out everything that has a negative impact on all of the above or you'd die. One way that can make quite a big difference is to stop eating meat. If people choose to eat meat well knock yourselves out, but please don't tell me I have to cut out this or that until I end up eating grass in order to "be constistent". Or do, whatever, but it's kind of silly.
*Having a fuckton of money isn't virtuous anyway, so
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Starry Wisdom
if you're going to play the numbers game you should fuck off right now because there's only a vanishingly small proportion of the global population who'd find your phallacy in any way convincing, and they're mainly confined for their own protection.
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hiraethified
Great to see those 'great minds' - you and a right wing, climate change-denying think tank - have the same derogatory turn of phrase for people with a different diet to yourself
Feel proud!
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
It's absolutely necessary to create steaks
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Starry Wisdom
stakes. it is absolutely necessary to create stakes. the higher generally the better.
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Plastic Paddy
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so much it is barking, as saul's poor dog would be
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Certainly not when administered anally.
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Dislicksick
you really want to start that shite up again?
Those for starters and dozens of similar posts by the same suspects throughout this thread.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
want to try again?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
"hur hur"
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Why "hur hur"? Do you have a counter argument or was that you realising you don't have one?"hur hur"
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Plastic Paddy
Because Ben Ben
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Back on-topic, this article sums up what needs to be done. The question then of course is how we get from here to there, but providing conclusive evidence that this is the best way to farm at all levels, including overall yield, is a start.
Mixed farming beats intensive agriculture methods | Climate News Network
Mixed farming in this context doesn't have to include animals (although it can), but it does have to include things like intercropping. This is labour-intensive. Just as well there are 7 billion people with two hands each who can potentially help out.
Mixed farming beats intensive agriculture methods | Climate News Network
Mixed farming in this context doesn't have to include animals (although it can), but it does have to include things like intercropping. This is labour-intensive. Just as well there are 7 billion people with two hands each who can potentially help out.
All this is stuff that we already know how to do.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The question is still left once you move back to mixed farming as to how much meat production can or should be included. But isolating the destructive effects of the meat-producing bit of agribusiness and contrasting it with the relative destructive effects of the plant-producing bit of agribusiness is to miss the point. It is agribusiness itself - both the meat and the plant bits - that is the problem. We need to change how we farm wheat and soya every bit as much as we need to change how we farm pigs or cows. These changes need to be made together.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Hmm yeah, that's a bit iffy imo.
Vegetarians and vegans get asked a LOT "why?" by people who eat meat, but when they answer, people do get defensive. It's often been people they barely know, and pretty confrontational. That's my experience and every non-meat eater I've ever talked to about this.
I honestly don't go around asking people I barely know why they eat meat. No, I don't approve quite honestly, but I don't think that approach would make them change their minds, and I don't automatically assume they're bad people; I just think they're wrong.
Oh, and "Mmmm, lovely burger!" at people who don't eat meat. Over and over and over: ie, "Just be pliant and quiet about your choice not to eat meat even though I'll wave it in your face for fun because hilarious (and makes me feel better maybe)."
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This attitude is one that not a single poster on here has displayed. I also think it's very shit and cringe when I see it. I would hope that it wouldn't wash on urban.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
You must hang around with some proper cunts.
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Plastic Paddy
That's not how it goes around here though, tbf.
The usual run of events is that a vegan/vegetarian posts a thread to get a reaction out of "the carnists". They get that reaction and have most of their supposed points burnt to cinders, and then start crying "foul" when the going gets a bit rough
If you can be arsed (no? I don't blame you!) take a look at how many preachy/passive-aggressive threads like this are started by the V brigade and contrast with how many are started by the carnists.
It's all good fun though.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Not really. This has been people I barely know. And like I say, all the vegetarians and vegans I've spoken to about it have experienced the same.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
it's basically what your response was saying
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
There was one a few pages ago!
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Not even remotely, but if that's how your head interpreted my post, then I can maybe understand why you respond in the way you do to other completely innocent posts, and I'll do my best to avoid future posts from you.
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