butchersapron
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Objections on what basis? Regarding their publications? You probably won't. Of the cult of assange and the heroisation of the whole thing? You will.
Assange to face extradition
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Im not interested in pointing out anyone was wrong. I just dont recall these criticisms being mentioned before, as elbows suggested they were. That wouldnt make them anyless valid now.
butchersapron
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Which criticisms? The ones i mentioned were - just search for wikileaks. They are there fromthe start.
Objections to thenews model of wikileaks.
butchersapron
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What news model? A model of private ownership hidden behind PR about openness and democracy? Sure they were. They were there from when wikileaks first got proper international attention. It's there is you just look for wikileaks or assange.
Ok. Ill search later.
elbows
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Im not going to pretend I was criticising wikileaks from day one, because I wasn't. My main interest was in the leaks themselves. However, every time Assange opened his gob I started to get more and more alarmed about his attitude towards information and his control over it. I ranted about how the name wikileaks was completely inappropriate, as its not a wiki. Then it became clear he didn't know how to partner with media entities without his ego and financial desires getting in the way.
But I will say that when I look at the timescales, the sex allegations and media fallout and the most sensitive leaks all happened within a very narrow timeframe, so I doubt there is enough space between events for me to claim that I saw all this coming.
In any case what was very telling was that a number of people involved with wikileaks got pissed off with all the mistakes being made, and split, although I don't think their efforts have gone anywhere useful either. But the point is that its not just the natural enemies of wikileaks who have a beef with Assange.
But I will say that when I look at the timescales, the sex allegations and media fallout and the most sensitive leaks all happened within a very narrow timeframe, so I doubt there is enough space between events for me to claim that I saw all this coming.
In any case what was very telling was that a number of people involved with wikileaks got pissed off with all the mistakes being made, and split, although I don't think their efforts have gone anywhere useful either. But the point is that its not just the natural enemies of wikileaks who have a beef with Assange.
I suppose I'm most interested in peoples opinions pre-2010. My recollection is that Assange was barely known of up to this point, but wikileaks was involved in some fairly important and interesting leaks. Something that they won an Amnesty International award for related to Kenyan police killings, a second BNP membership list leak, something about Trafigura and a super injunction, various leaks related to financial services shortly after the "credit crunch". Some of these were important stories, and certainly had wikileaks named in the media prior to "cablegate". And, at the same time, Assange was a name very few people had heard of.
From what I knew of wikileaks at the time, I felt they were a force for good. I don't know much about the "model of private ownership hidden behind PR about openness and democracy" 'although that's certainly something i'd be interested to hear more about. I still don't see that wikileaks is an intrinsically "bad" organisation. Just one that appears to have lost its way.
I look forward to being corrected, though.
From what I knew of wikileaks at the time, I felt they were a force for good. I don't know much about the "model of private ownership hidden behind PR about openness and democracy" 'although that's certainly something i'd be interested to hear more about. I still don't see that wikileaks is an intrinsically "bad" organisation. Just one that appears to have lost its way.
I look forward to being corrected, though.
elbows
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BBC have a video embedded in the article linked to earlier and it certainly looks like her.
elbows
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elbows
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I've obviously no intention of buying it but I tortured myself by listening to track previews on the site that sells it - it really is a criminal record.
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/wikileaksbeattheblockade
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/wikileaksbeattheblockade
elbows
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Attempting to cleanse myself of the horror by listening to pop defect radio instead:
http://popdefectradio.blogspot.co.uk/
http://popdefectradio.blogspot.co.uk/
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butchersapron
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He's now got Baltasar Garzón heading his legal team.
teqniq
DisMembered
Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official
Well ok, but how is he supposed to get from the embassy to the airport?
Well ok, but how is he supposed to get from the embassy to the airport?
teqniq
DisMembered
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the above you may as well scale that up to include the U.S. military. Look what happened to Iran Air Flight 655
In between they can grab him. I believe they can stick him in a box and if the paper work is correct he can't be held (some embassy tried it years ago but got caught out by a technicality).
I don't understand why he didn't claim asylum in Russia. If he had got a seat in the Russian parliament he could never be extradited, and as an added bonus there are some seriously hot women in Moscow.
butchersapron
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Meaningless - Ecuador cannot exempt someone from European law by granting them asylum. The only way this would get interesting in that sense is if he was given Ecuadoran citizenship then made a diplomat. Which he won't be.
agricola
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This is true, but it would be a bit mental to seek to escape from a country that goes after journalists who embarass it politically by running off to Moscow.
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