bubblesmcgrath
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I'm answering your previous question. If you look back you'll see the art work I referenced.
Art that people rave about that's actually shit.
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I'm answering your previous question. If you look back you'll see the art work I referenced.
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
You just asked me to explain! In the very post I quoted!
and I'm going to try one more time because I really don't think you get it
a) a lot of art these days is more conceptual/abstract
b) people sometimes find this a little intimidating, perpetuated by the fact that we're not really exposed to much theory & critique about art the way we are with other more popular media (music, film, etc)
c) it's very easy to write modern art off (and this includes/ included impressionism, cubism, etc) as pretentious shit, the work of con artists and hacks, etc
d) all this really accomplishes is a perpetuation of stereotypes and people deciding not to participate /engage in the world of art, it gives a very good excuse to avoid it altogether, even if you're just saying it about a handful of artists it can very easily translate to all modern / conceptual / abstract artists.
In a way, this just reinforces elitism and very small numbers of people dictating what is (good) art
bubblesmcgrath
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If you could look outside of yourself (because it's not about you) and put your need to save face aside, you would see that I'm actually being sincere, as is everyone else.
And why do you keep asking me to explain what I've just explained. I told you precisely why this type of thing hurts art/ artists about 12 times now
Enjoying a piece of art is a completely personal thing. .....you should know that. Didn't you say something to that effect earlier in the thread?
You may well be sincere but you fail to accept that I am also sincere and see what is going on in the current art world. I'm not going to pretend I like a piece of art just to prop up a "positive association" with a particular style of art. There are some amazing modern artists in every sphere of the world of art who paint in many styles. You seem to think I've knocked them all. That's your perception. I doubt this thread or any attitude expressed in it have damaged the art world in the least.
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
I never said you had to lie or prop up anything! Just that there is an excess of negativity already, which is turning people away, so instead of adding to it, choose to celebrate what you DO like and expose people to it! That pretty much sums up all I've said
Why? Why ignore the shite that's being passed off as art and only focus on the decent stuff? This is the reason these bluffers are getting away with it, because people are being told what they should like and they're blindly agreeing or are too scared to say anything for fear of being lambasted and/or mocked for not 'getting' it.
Seems the art world is the only place you're not allowed say something is shit... apart from maybe North Korea
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
You just asked me to explain! In the very post I quoted!
and I'm going to try one more time because I really don't think you get it
a) a lot of art these days is more conceptual/abstract
b) people sometimes find this a little intimidating, perpetuated by the fact that we're not really exposed to much theory & critique about art the way we are with other more popular media (music, film, etc)
c) it's very easy to write modern art off (and this includes/ included impressionism, cubism, etc) as pretentious shit, the work of con artists and hacks, etc
d) all this really accomplishes is a perpetuation of stereotypes and people deciding not to participate /engage in the world of art, it gives a very good excuse to avoid it altogether, even if you're just saying it about a handful of artists it can very easily translate to all modern / conceptual / abstract artists.
In a way, this just reinforces elitism and very small numbers of people dictating what is (good) art
Dear God woman!!
For the last time...I did not ask you to explain! And I have not written modern art off...I posted plenty of my owm favourite abstract expressionist works and figurative modern works. And have liked plenty modern art pieces posted on this very thread.
I know the modern as in the current art world. I know how it works.
I know the shit that goes on....the lickarsing about...the croneyism.
The building of egos. The "mixing in the right circles"..the obscene nonsense that goes on to get noticed by the right people...the efforts to paint in a style nobody has tried before which is usually something someone has tried before. ..
Please stop patronising me?
And recognise and realise that shit art exists...whether you like it or not and that some shit art has made it into some very exclusive galleries for the wrong reasons. And please do not misconstrue this response to your statement as a critique of all moderm abstract art.
We are all entitled to our views. Mine come from experience and knowledge (despite what you may think of me)
And I'm sorry but my virws are as sincerely held as yours (despite the fact you disbelieve this).
You asking..demanding me to "go outside myself" and "stop trying to save face" is rather patronising if I'm being honest. .which I am. You decided I was being flippant because I dont share your views. You decided I was thick and stupid because I disagree that all art has to be celebrated.
I'm neither thick nor anti modern art.
I'll leave you with this....
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Friedrich Nietzsche
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Miss Caphat
I want it that way
what you just said - those are the negative associations which get circulated, and which are largely exaggerated and untrue. conceptual art requires use of the viewer's imagination, it's not for everyone and it's HARDLY the only type of art being sold or bought out there, so it's really sort of a straw man, and focusing on this one little area of the art world therefore is pretty silly if you love art.
Nobody ever said "You can't say this" it's more like "do you really want to keep repeating this tired old cliche?"
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
sigh. actually, you did, in the very quote I was responding to, which I already mentioned.
I can no longer take anything you say seriously and didn't even read the rest of your post. this is ridiculous
It's the extremes of anything that stand out. Really good art and really shit art are what people are going to talk about, and when something really shit sells for big money, people are going to question it and the validity of those involved in the process.
I've never liked the Conservative party. I think they're a bunch of cunts... but some people do like them and agree with their politics. Should I say nothing for fear of upsetting those who support and agree with them?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and my opinion is that most modern art is shit. Maybe not as shit as Tory politics but shit, nonetheless.
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
99.9% of art sold is something that people fall in love with and can afford.
It's an investment piece thay they'll hope to like for many years. It's something they think long and hard about spending money on. It could be the difference between having a summer holiday or not. Or buying a new telly or not.
Modern abstractionism is not in the same league. You must know this?
It is absolutely an elitist singular market.
I think you may need to read the quote you quoted.
I said "I've not asked you to explain"
Let's call it a day.
I'm in need of some food.
And the art world will survive in the meantime
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Do you like it better than the original?,I like this...
I like it because it's topical and it made me smile... but I wouldn't consider it worthy of a place on my wall. Then again, I wouldn't hang a Dali print either, but if it was a choice between this and a Dali, I'd choose the Dali
This too:
What do you like about it?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I like that it's an erased drawing. It's intriguing. What was there? What's left? Traces, remnants, clues, fragments. I find that interesting. But then I like blanks, I like ruins, I like destruction. I like empty spaces.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
The reason many people on this thread are trying to explain it to you is because you manifestly don't get it. The pieces you post up for the most part are not shit, you just don't get it and I'm thinking your incapable of getting it.
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
The pieces I posted are not shit..and I think if you read the thread with your brain instead of your prejudicial attitude you'd see that.
I posted Warren , Gorky, Stanton McDonald Wright ...where did I say they were shit?
I've been pretty clear about the Tate shit in a tin being shit and a few other art works made from shit and semen and I dont think a whole lot of the two paintings in my OP....but I've I not generalised.
And you've all had an opportunity to voice your opinions which you have done and yet you decide your opinions are not enough so you attempt to denegrate me and insult my intelligence?
I get abstractionism. I get expressionism. I get cubism. I get every bit of art on this thread. I could write litanies of positivity about them if I chose to. But the thread is posing a discussion point for people to come to their own conclusions.
So far it's not getting anywhere because instead of discussing why certain pieces of art are deserving of their status, you and others (including me when provoked ) are just slinging insults..
Read the thread ... think about it....then post something worthwhile and meaningful about your favourite misunderstood artwork.
Convince those who think it is shit that it is not.
Show an argument that proves the tin of shit in the Tate is brilliant.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
And in a single post you say that you get it but don't understand why the tin of shit is brilliant.....
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
I'm asking you to say why you think it's brilliant. Not to quote some critic.
Not to quote the Tate.
But to say why you personally believe it is a brilliant piece of art. Say why you'd be happy to have it in your home.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
No, you're saying it's shit, you're making a judgement about it, you have to post up the reasons why you think so.
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
It is shit...in a tin.
You think it's brilliant so go on....
Why is it brilliant?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
What is wrong with making art out of shit?
The Joseph Beuys shit in a can was a work of genius, but ffs this is sixth form art appreciation. I'm a total Philistine when it comes to art, but even I understand some of the concepts behind nonrepresentational art. Does satire not have a place in art? Do you really only want to look at pictures of things?
The Joseph Beuys shit in a can was a work of genius, but ffs this is sixth form art appreciation. I'm a total Philistine when it comes to art, but even I understand some of the concepts behind nonrepresentational art. Does satire not have a place in art? Do you really only want to look at pictures of things?
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
No, you posted it up as bad art, did you not?. Explain yourself.
bmd
Island in the stream.
You think it's shit. Why do you think it's shit? I would actually want to engage with this thread, instead of you, if I didn't see you being all over the place, twisting words into meanings that you clearly didn't mean, instead of allowing that some people who don't agree with you could have a point.
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
I posted it as "actually shit" art.
And OU...would you want some guy's shit in a tin in your house as a piece of art? Honestly?
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