Is photorealistic art really "art"?

[Orang Utan]

Well informed usually means based on some expertise.

Then no.

 

[ohmyliver]

But surely an opinion needs to be well informed?

This is literally what Hume's theory of taste is about. That you needed to be a person away from the 'fires of youth', posessed of at least a certain level of education, etc for your opinions of what is art/good art to matter. Amazingly, and very luckily for him, he fitted every qualification he mentions.

 

[ohmyliver]

And, I would be happy to be known as a photographer, I would prefer that to an artist, and it would be more accurate.

post some of those photographs up, please.

 

[Orang Utan]

I would have thought you might enjoy her art as it is so colourful and she used complimentary and primary colours in a really energetic way.

Nope. It’s purely commercially decorative, like ‘love, live, eat’ or whatever that shit is painted on some driftwood and hung on the wall of a kitchen in a holiday cottage

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Yes, seriously. If someone holds an opinion, it’s a fact to them.

An opinion is an opinion.

 

[weltweit]

post some of those photographs up, please.

Not really the right thread for it though ..

 

[ohmyliver]

Not really the right thread for it though ..

I didn't mean here, post them in this year's art or photography thread.

 

[Orang Utan]

An opinion is an opinion.

Indeed. But one believes one’s opinion is correct

 

[JimW]

What about artistes? Effete costume essential or just some sort of performance skills?

 

[weltweit]

I didn't mean here, post them in this year's art or photography thread.

Oh, I see, yes, I have posted some of them there, but I will post more.

 

[Aladdin]

Nope. It’s purely commercially decorative, like ‘love, live, eat’ or whatever that shit is painted on some driftwood and hung on the wall of a kitchen in a holiday cottage

Ah...I think you're being a bit harsh.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Indeed. But one believes one’s opinion is correct

Of course. But someone believing the world is flat doesn’t make it a fact.

 

[Orang Utan]

"You don’t need brains

Ah...I think you're being a bit harsh.

I held back tbf

 

[Orang Utan]

Of course. But someone believing the world is flat doesn’t make it a fact.

Science deals with objective facts though. It’s not art

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Science deals with objective facts though. It’s not art

Thank you for accepting that opinions aren’t facts.

 

[Aladdin]

Science deals with objective facts though. It’s not art

Interesting...

 

[Orang Utan]

Thank you for accepting that opinions aren’t facts.

Subjective vs objective.
What’s the point of venturing an opinion unless you’re not confident of it being correct?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Subjective vs objective.
What’s the point of venturing an opinion unless you’re not confident of it being correct?

Subjectivity can never be a fact as it’s simply personal taste!

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Subjective vs objective.
What’s the point of venturing an opinion unless you’re not confident of it being correct?

I think most people are capable of realising that their opinion is just that - an opinion. Not a fact. And other people can disagree. Unless you're a dogmatic twat, of course.

 

[prunus]

Subjective vs objective.
What’s the point of venturing an opinion unless you’re not confident of it being correct?

There are many things that are subject to opinion that you cannot know are correct - in fact are not even definable as correct or incorrect. For example it is my opinion that fine red burgundy is the best wine in the world. How would one even begin to assess whether that is a correct assertion (beyond the tautological "it is correct that that I believe that")?

 

[Aladdin]

Interesting...

I think science and art are rather closer to each other than you may have thought.

"To develop a complete mind: Study the science of art; study the art of science. Learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else." —Leonardo da Vinci

 

[Gromit]

I remember Athena Poster stores being treated with utter contempt by art snobs.
Yet posters flew off the shelves.

Bad art yet successful art?
I hate snobs.

 

[weltweit]

I remember Athena Poster stores being treated with utter contempt by art snobs.
Yet posters flew off the shelves.

Particularly "Tennis Girl" - an Athena poster which I didn't expect I would be allowed

 

[Orang Utan]

Subjectivity can never be a fact as it’s simply personal taste!

Yes we still offer our opinions as fact and believe them to be

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Yes we still offer our opinions as fact and believe them to be

I don’t like Stilton cheese. That doesn’t make it a fact that it’s a bad cheese.

 

[Orang Utan]

I don’t like Stilton cheese. That doesn’t make it a fact that it’s a bad cheese.

Sure but you’d say ‘I’m not eating that shit’

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Sure but you’d say ‘I’m not eating that shit’

Well obviously. But that wasn’t what we were disagreeing about.

 

[Orang Utan]

Well obviously. But that wasn’t what we were disagreeing about.

In your opinion

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I actually like your tedious contrarianism but we should perhaps not completely shit over the thread with it.

 

[Aladdin]

Yes we still offer our opinions as fact and believe them to be

My opinion is that you are being obtuse. Therefore it is a fact that you are obtuse.