Is photorealistic art really "art"?

[Aladdin]

I actually like your tedious contrarianism but we should perhaps not completely shit over the thread with it.

Please do...

It's entertaining on a dreary day.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Please do...

It's entertaining on a dreary day.

You won’t be saying that in three months time…

 

[Orang Utan]

My opinion is that you are being obtuse. Therefore it is a fact that you are obtuse.

I’m not though. I’m just dogmatic. Perhaps it’s an ND thing. But my opinion is correct and is therefore a fact. I’m not saying it’s an objective fact. But it’s my truth and how I see the world.

 

[cesare]

Yes, seriously. If someone holds an opinion, it’s a fact to them.

I don't accept that an opinion is a fact, no matter how strong an opinion it is.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I don't accept that an opinion is a fact, no matter how strong an opinion it is.

And even with scientific ‘facts’ there’s no such thing as facts. Just the best of our understanding at this point in time.

 

[cesare]

I’m not though. I’m just dogmatic. Perhaps it’s an ND thing. But my opinion is correct and is therefore a fact. I’m not saying it’s an objective fact. But it’s my truth and how I see the world.

I don't think that ND people necessarily assert that their opinions are facts. You've just made that up.

 

[Aladdin]

I’m not though. I’m just dogmatic. Perhaps it’s an ND thing. But my opinion is correct and is therefore a fact. I’m not saying it’s an objective fact. But it’s my truth and how I see the world.

Ok..

(Note to self...do not ever buy OU any colourful socks resembling fried eggs and bacon...)

 

[Magnus McGinty]

He’s into his zany socks though

 

[Orang Utan]

I don't think that ND people necessarily assert that their opinions are facts. You've just made that up.

I’m speculating. I’m not making anything up

 

[Orang Utan]

Ok..

(Note to self...do not ever buy OU any colourful socks resembling fried eggs and bacon...)

Please don’t

 

[Orang Utan]

He’s into his zany socks though

I’m not

 

[cesare]

I’m speculating. I’m not making anything up

Opinions are subject to speculation. Facts aren't.

Having said that, "facts" change over time.

 

[Orang Utan]

I’m talking about tastes. If you have faith in your own tastes, then your opinion is unassailable.

 

[Orang Utan]

Opinions are subject to speculation. Facts aren't.

I don’t dispute that. But my faith in my opinion is strong enough for me to talk about it as if it’s a fact. I would rather hear someone state an opinion confidently than ‘this is just my opinion, but…’. It’s a waste of time prefacing an opinion with a statement that something is ‘just’ an opinion.

 

[cesare]

I’m talking about tastes. If you have faith in your own tastes, then your opinion is unassailable.

Your own opinion is unassailable by you (if your mind is closed to.other opinions) but that's what I meant about my own art. As long as I'm the only person that sees it, it's art or not.

 

[Orang Utan]

Your own opinion is unassailable by you (if your mind is closed to.other opinions) but that's what I meant about my own art. As long as I'm the only person that sees it, it's art or not.

You can still be open to other opinions and believe your own is correct. I’ve often changed my mind about stuff. There are plenty of things I didn’t like 5 years ago that I like now.

 

[cesare]

You can still be open to other opinions and believe your own is correct. I’ve often changed my mind about stuff. There are plenty of things I didn’t like 5 years ago that I like now.

I'm fine with opinions changing over time of course, but I've a problem with opinions =facts. There are changes to facts over time related to scientific discoveries. Those are fine by me. But I'm never going to be at the front of a queue hailing an opinion as a "fact'. That way mad shit lies eg fotl.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

You can still be open to other opinions and believe your own is correct. I’ve often changed my mind about stuff. There are plenty of things I didn’t like 5 years ago that I like now.

So as you admit your opinions change, they can’t ever be facts as they’d be unchangeable.

 

[Orang Utan]

I'm fine with opinions changing over time of course, but I've a problem with opinions =facts. There are changes to facts over time related to scientific discoveries. Those are fine by me. But I'm never going to be at the front of a queue hailing an opinion as a "fact'. That way mad shit lies eg fotl

My comments were only relating to how we talk about the arts though. Maybe I’m just used to talking about these things in the pub with mates or on music message boards.

 

[Orang Utan]

So as you admit your opinions change, they can’t ever be facts as they’d be unchangeable.

They are at the time though. It’s good to passionate about your likes and dislikes

 

[Aladdin]

I’m not

Ahem..

This was just one drawer...from your 187 pairs of (lovely) colourful socks.

 

[Orang Utan]

Ahem..

This was just one drawer...from your 187 pairs of (lovely) colourful socks.View attachment 387396

They’re colourful not zany. I do not buy zany socks.

 

[Aladdin]

They’re colourful not zany. I do not buy zany socks.

 

[Orang Utan]

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Wtf is that?

 

[Aladdin]

Wtf is that?

Your sock...in the drawer.
Looks a lot like Tony the Tiger (Frosties)

Or it could be Taz..

 

[Orang Utan]

Your sock...in the drawer.
Looks a lot like Tony the Tiger (Frosties)

Or it could be Taz..

I have no idea what that is, so how can you?
I certainly have no wacky themed socks.
The most ‘themed’ socks I have are of the pattern from the carpet in the hotel in The Shining but there’s nowt wacky about them cos it’s a legitimately cool pattern

 

[xenon]

It's the only definition that holds water. I did a course at University about theories of aesthetics, and some of them were hillarious. Hume's theory of aesthetics is basically a whole book explaining why his opinions on art mattered more than other peoples. Or Clive Bell's assertion that the definining characteristic of art is that it gives you an 'aesthetic emotion', and then later on defines an 'aesthetic emotion' as something generated by art.

Yep. And also that the idea art must be good. If I don’t like it it’s not. Doesn’t matter. There’s loads of shit art.

 

[xenon]

It doesn't make you a professional footballer/artist/chef. But your logic basically means that someone walking isn't a walker.

Although by this logic we are all writers. Cultural commentators. To be more precise, Gonna add that to the CV..

 

[Aladdin]

No it just means you've cooked yourself a meal, nothing more. Just like kicking a ball about doesn't make you a footballer. And doing a drawing doesn't make you an artist.

Wasn't it Picasso who said "it took me four years to paint like Raphael but it took me a lifetime to paint like a child"

 

[Dr. Furface]

Wasn't it Picasso who said "it took me four years to paint like Raphael but it took me a lifetime to paint like a child"

I've no idea but I'll take your word for it. Not sure what point you're trying to make though.