Art that people rave about that's actually shit.

[bubblesmcgrath]

I've already explained exactly what I mean in detail, and why this is important. I'm sorry you're too dense to understand.

Lol
I know exactly what you mean.
I just don't happen to agree with you.
For the very reason that the art world exalts a tin of shit.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

much modern art of course IS shit. just as much art of any period is shit.

At least 99% of it... IMHO

But you don't have to be a great artist to be considered great. You just have to be a great bullshitter or have a story that art bullshitters think they can sell.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

I stopped posting on Art forums a few years back as they were dominated by people denouncing conceptual art (usually lumping Abstract art in with it) bemoaning the "low status" of representational art in the art world and endlessly championing fine motor skills as the sole denominator of "good art".

This thread has reminded far too much of that.

Should I ecpect to hear a swish as you leave the thread with your hand dramatically touching your brow?

 

[Miss Caphat]

Lol
I know exactly what you mean.
I just don't happen to agree with you.
For the very reason that the art world exalts a tin of shit.

"Grumble, grumble...kids these days with their long hair and their tins of shit" "I thought I told you to get offa my lawn!"

 

[Pickman's model]

Should I ecpect to hear a swish as you leave the thread with your hand dramatically touching your brow?

the swish you'll hear is his nagaika

 

[Gromit]

I stopped posting on Art forums a few years back as they were dominated by people denouncing conceptual art (usually lumping Abstract art in with it) bemoaning the "low status" of representational art in the art world and endlessly championing fine motor skills as the sole denominator of "good art".

This thread has reminded far too much of that.

The Internet joys of people posting definitive opinion about subjective subject matter.

In a nutshell your music / art / sport choices are wrong because they differ from mine.

 

[chilango]

The Internet joys of people posting definitive opinion about subjective subject matter.

In a nutshell your music / art / sport choices are wrong because they differ from mine.

...not really.

 

[chilango]

Should I ecpect to hear a swish as you leave the thread with your hand dramatically touching your brow?

No.

 

[Miss Caphat]

...not really.

I think he meant that's what is wrong with this thread and the people on your art forums declaring something to be "good art" ..took me a second too.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

.... looks like he'd have been more likely to invite the kids onto his lawn

the swish you'll hear is his nagaika

He does seem a bit over domineering. You may have a point there Picky.

 

[Miss Caphat]

well, bubblesmcgrath you've done it! You've successfully made us aware that some art actually consists of shit, and that this method of creating is a thing that is done sometimes by a small number of people in order to make a statement and that you find this very silly. Congratulations!

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

I think he meant that's what is wrong with this thread and the people on your art forums declaring something to be "good art" ..took me a second too.

It's more likely he meant that people are entitled to their opinions without being told they're wromg to hold them.
You've persisted in telling me .. explaining to me..(in a patronising way) that art ..all art has to be respected.
I like all sorts of art but you decided I was anti modern art. Where you got that idea I do not know. I like what I like regardless of it's age, style or it's creator. But nobody will ever convince me that a tin of shit is high art. No context..no story..no bull will ever convince me that a painting using the artist's semen is fascinatingly brilliant. ..please understand this?

 

[Pickman's model]

It's more likely he meant that people are entitled to their opinions without being told they're wromg to hold them.
You've persisted in telling me .. explaining to me..(in a patronising way) that art ..all art has to be respected.
I like all sorts of art but you decided I was anti modern art. Where you got that idea I do not know. I like what I like regardless of it's age, style or it's creator. But nobody will ever convince me that a tin of shit is high art. No context..no story..no bull will ever convince me that a painting using the artist's semen is fascinatingly brilliant. ..please understand this?

you say you like all sorts of art. so you like shit art as well as decent art. what sorts of shit art do you like?

 

[Gromit]

I think he meant that's what is wrong with this thread and the people on your art forums declaring something to be "good art" ..took me a second too.

Actually it was a poem about ocelots and their struggle against pornification.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

you say you like all sorts of art. so you like shit art as well as decent art. what sorts of shit art do you like?

I think you'll find I "liked" yours.
I like all sorts of styles but that doesn't mean I like everything..

 

[Pickman's model]

i'm looking forward to bubblesmcgrath's next effort, shit people rave about that's actually art

 

[Pickman's model]

I think you'll find I "liked" yours.
I like all sorts of styles but that doesn't mean I like everything..

you're saying my art's shit but it took at least as much skill as the pieces of yours you've put forward in this thread.

 

[Miss Caphat]

It's more likely he meant that people are entitled to their opinions without being told they're wromg to hold them.
You've persisted in telling me .. explaining to me..(in a patronising way) that art ..all art has to be respected.
I like all sorts of art but you decided I was anti modern art. Where you got that idea I do not know. I like what I like regardless of it's age, style or it's creator. But nobody will ever convince me that a tin of shit is high art. No context..no story..no bull will ever convince me that a painting using the artist's semen is fascinatingly brilliant. ..please understand this?

1. I never said all art needs to be respected. My main point was it hurts art and artists as a whole to perpetuate negative associations with certain forms of art, and this thread pretty much is a celebration of those negative associations and stereotypes (in the way you intended it). I said that art should be celebrated, and that we should encourage participation...not for artwork you don't like obviously, that would be odd, but for the artwork you DO like...i.e. focus on the positive rather than the negative.

2. see above post. to elaborate, you're focusing on the extreme edge of conceptual art, to prove some sort of point that's been done to death already, and which nobody cares to keep rehashing, mmkay?

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

you're saying my art's shit but it took at least as much skill as the pieces of yours you've put forward in this thread.

Probably ...

 

[Orang Utan]

Of course I enjoy verbally kicking the shit out of him.....he wears stripey socks and has an allergy to giving sweets to children who are related to him....
Now it appears the boring old fart doesn't even own the orangutan t -shirt....

Anyway. ..here's more shit art that's actually shit

Venus De Milo ...Zhu Cheng

You don't really have any right to bring up stuff from other threads. And you certainly don't have any right to accuse other people as nasty pieces of work when you make posts like that.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

1. I never said all art needs to be respected. My main point was it hurts art and artists as a whole to perpetuate negative associations with certain forms of art, and this thread pretty much is a celebration of those negative associations and stereotypes (in the way you intended it). I said that art should be celebrated, and that we should encourage participation...not for artwork you don't like obviously, that would be odd, but for the artwork you DO like...i.e. focus on the positive rather than the negative.

2. see above post. to elaborate, you're focusing on the extreme edge of conceptual art, to prove some sort of point that's been done to death already, and which nobody cares to keep rehashing, mmkay?

Dear me...I think you're confusing the discussion with some point scoring nonsense.
Where have I personally hurt any artist or the "arts" ? I've posted some of the best examples of excellent art the last century offered....and a few from this century.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

You don't really have any right to bring up stuff from other threads. And you certainly don't have any right to accuse other people as nasty pieces of work when you make posts like that.

Ah now come on...ou...fair is fair..
I was being tongue in cheek.

Don't deny that a fair few of your comments to me were not said in jest. They were nasty.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ah now come on...ou...fair is fair..
I was being tongue in cheek.

Don't deny that a fair few of your comments to me were not said in jest. They were nasty.

strange how you're always "tongue in cheek" and everyone else is always "nasty"

 

[Orang Utan]

Ah now come on...ou...fair is fair..
I was being tongue in cheek.

Don't deny that a fair few of your comments to me were not said in jest. They were nasty.

I'm sorry but they were mostly earnest insults, hardly nasty.
I just don't see what I wear has to do with anything on this thread. And you seem to have fictional ideas about me.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm sorry but they were mostly earnest insults, hardly nasty.
I just don't see what I wear has to do with anything on this thread. And you seem to have fictional ideas about me.

any relationship bubblesmcgrath has with reality is purely coincidental.

 

[Miss Caphat]

Dear me...I think you're confusing the discussion with some point scoring nonsense.
Where have I personally hurt any artist or the "arts" ? I've posted some of the best examples of excellent art the last century offered....and a few from this century.

If you could look outside of yourself (because it's not about you) and put your need to save face aside, you would see that I'm actually being sincere, as is everyone else.
And why do you keep asking me to explain what I've just explained. I told you precisely why this type of thing hurts art/ artists about 12 times now

 

[Pickman's model]

And why do you keep asking me to explain what I've just explained. I told you precisely why this type of thing hurts art/ artists about 12 times now

"two short planks" recently

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

i'm looking forward to bubblesmcgrath's next effort, shit people rave about that's actually art

You must have missed the tin of shit from the Tate.

 

[Pickman's model]

You must have missed the tin of shit from the Tate.

are you saying the container's the art or the contents of the container?

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

If you could look outside of yourself (because it's not about you) and put your need to save face aside, you would see that I'm actually being sincere, as is everyone else.
And why do you keep asking me to explain what I've just explained. I told you precisely why this type of thing hurts art/ artists about 12 times now

I've not asked you to explain.
You just keep choosing to do so despite being told that it's not necessary.