Spion
I hear ya
What would you do about it if you knew?
Do you want to know all the convictions of all the people that live nearby?
Anti-paedophile demo - Weymouth
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Do you want to know all the convictions of all the people that live nearby?
_angel_
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Did you disagree with the addresses of BNP members being published?
Spion
I hear ya
you answer my questions and I'll answer yours
_angel_
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I'd go around with a flame torched mob and burn their house down, obviously.
Neglect is apparently the hardest form of abuse for a kid to recover from.
_angel_
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Is it neglect? Calling to your kid?? What exactly was supposed to have been done?
Simply shouting at kids or getting angry at them, no.
Letting them know full well that they're an unwanted burden, yes.
_angel_
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It just seems a bit odd, to decide that some random parents on the street are committing neglect to their kids, then moralising to everyone about how they have no rights to know about persons who have actually been convicted of a crime.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
It just seems a bit odd, to decide that some random parents on the street are committing neglect to their kids, then moralising to everyone about how they have no rights to know about persons who have actually been convicted of a crime.
My point is simply that these hysterical "anti pedo" demonstrations are wrong on two levels. First because they are built on an irrational fear of strangers, a kind of modern day Frankenstein witch hunt for mythical monsters where none really exist and by doing so they feed into a tabloid led tendency to distrust everyone. To approach all relationships, be they neighbours, school professionals, new boyfriends, friends etc, from the onset as potential abusers of our kids.
In doing so we destroy all sense of community, all sense of neighbourliness and all society. We end up fearing everyone and everything and throwing ourselves on the all wise all seeing mercy of the state to save us from ourselves. So more regulation, more disclosure legislation, more CRBs more CCTV cameras more interferance in our lives. The "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to hide cliche becomes the norm. I don't want to live like that..
Second because by indulging in this monster hunt they divert attention from the real abuse and neglect that is all around us.. There is no doubt that the vast vast majority of abuse and neglect is hiidden behind the net curtains.
Yes, I think the kind of low level neglect and bored resentment I mentioned earlier is abuse. Not one as easily tangible as the pedo with the bag of sweets image but abuse nevertheless. By focusing on monsters we ignore the reality of the abuse that is all around us.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Your children really aren't in much danger from sex offenders living nearby. They really aren't. They are much more in danger from someone you know. So no, you don't need to know and you really shouldn't worry about it. Nobody is waiting in the park to fuck our kids.
_angel_
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Not talking about the demonstrations, but wanting to know where sex offenders live - why not? Surely it will help dispell rumours and wrongful accusations against innocent people? Which can and do already happen.
But you are jumping to a huge moral conclusion of 'neglect' based on nothing more than an observation + your imagination. This is the kind of thing you are criticising in others when it comes to accusing or suspicions of paedophiles.
Maybe people do have a right to know if someone convicted of abuse is coming to live near them, I think -- this does indeed happen, it seems as if you're actually trying to suggest this does not occur. Just because abuse happens inside the family does not mean they do not also occur outside it, too.
By the way, newspapers regularly publish the details of people caught shopifting and the like, how is this different??
The only thing that would worry me would be people who had been wrongly convicted -- but that is a problem in itself -- no way should accusations that have not resulted in a successful prosecution be made public though.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Shoplifters don't usually arouse murderous rage in people.
Usually. I'm no fan of the judiciary, but if we are to have one then according to it's own logic it has to be the only punisher. If that means protecting a beast from lynch mobs then that is what must happen.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
My point is simply that most abuse and neglect isn't spectacular. It isn't tabloid worthy and it is overlooked by almost everyone. It is the low level misery and loveless childhoods that is inflicted on an untold number of kids all around us but noone gives it a second thought. I think if you raise your kids without a word of encouragement and crush all forms of self expression you give kids miserable lives. If all your kid ever hears is "stop it" they grow up with the message that they are an unwanted burden. I see and hear this all the time, it's not a moral judgement its an observation. .
Sorry but that is bollocks. You and I know exactly what it would lead to. It would lead to a lynch mob.
How about letting the kid play?
I'm not talking about frustrated parents occasionally yelling at their kids, I'm talking about parents who do nothing but. I'm talking about kids who grow up hearing nothing but the message that they are a burden.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I don't understand you here. Not having a pop, but could you rephrase in a manner that might get through to my soggy brain?
@angel
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Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
People shouting at their kids agressively is abuse, yes. I see far too much of it in Brum. "Put that down you little shit" being a lovely example, shouted to a 3 year old boy at a bus stop when he picked his chocolate off the floor after dropping it. All too common unfortunately.
_angel_
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People shouting at their kids agressively is abuse, yes. I see far too much of it in Brum. "Put that down you little shit" being a lovely example, shouted to a 3 year old boy at a bus stop when he picked his chocolate off the floor after dropping it. All too common unfortunately.
That wasn't what was posted in the original post, though, that's why I questioned it.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
I think yelling at kids all the time to "not do that" and to "come here" is verging on the abusive, yes. Would you talk like that to an adult?
Actually, it's already the case in parts of the US that the details (including full names, addresses and photographs) of convicted sex offenders are easily available to anybody who wants to know, look up "Megan's Law" if you don't believe me. I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with the idea, but I've yet to hear of large numbers of lynching of paedophiles in the US.
Frankly, I think it shows a disturbingly misanthropic and elitist view of the world that so many people on here think that the second people know that a sex offender lives in their area they're going to break out the pitchforks and burning torches.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
You are very optimistic about the character of some people. I suggest you watch Nick Broomfield's excellent documentary "being Maxine Carr" about attacks on completely innocent women who were mistaken for Maxine Carr. It's a chilling account of where the blind witchhunt mentality can lead.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/being-maxine-carr/episode-guide/series-1/episode-1
Hysteria has it's own dynamic and it's clear where the logic of aimless "anti pedo" demonstrations leads.
It's not often I find myself agreeing with Blagsta but he is spot on here.
I wait with my son at the bus stop every afternoon when I pick him up from school and I swear I have never heard a good word from some parents towards their kids. It's a torrent of "come here NOW", "get down", "get off that", "be quiet", "how many times have I told you" "I will give you a good hiding," "Shut up." Never so much as a single good word. It's so bad that my 10 year old actually looks at me and rolls his eyes. He even commented that he was so glad he didn't have them for parents. Worse than that, when I play with my son, and run around and play tig or encourage him to climb walls and trees, they look at me like i'm nuts.
This is a form of abuse yes. A low level demoralising soul destroying form of abuse that is accepted and ignored. I certainly don't see any of the people demonstrating against "pedos" addressing the issue.
And I am supposed to worry about mythical monsters in the bushes?
Paedophilia is a disease. But these days it provides an opportunity for sadists and law-and-order fetishists to vent their hatred. You can say anything you like about a "paedo," you can unload all your darkest emotions on them, and be fairly sure that you won´t get criticized for it. People who obsessively rant and rage against paedophiles are just as perverted as the paedophiles themselves.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Maybe, and the most humane cure is suicide.
Well as far as I can see, there's no actual connection between the Maxine Carr stuff and the sort of demonstration mentioned in the OP. There's also no link between that and what I was actually talking about (laws allowing people to access details about convicted sex offenders in their area). I'm happy to admit if I'm wrong but as far as I know there is no serious problem with vigilante attacks against paedophiles in states in America with some version of "Megan's law".
Basically, you're lumping things together that don't really belong.
You don´t know very far then. There are many such attacks. Well tbh I don¨t have any statistics, but they are often reported in the media.
I think the point is if that people are willing to act in such ways as assault and harassing a woman who is rumoured to be Maxine Carr, a person only sentenced for lying to the police essentially then the reaction of those who had access to information on the whereabouts of actual sex offenders would be a million times worse.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
If people knew where the real Maxine Carr was then the innocent would have nothing to worry about.
"Only lying to the Police" to protect a paedophile who had killed two young girls is hardly a minor matter.
The problem with comparing forms of neglect and shouting etc with paedophilia is that it can encourage paedos into thinking that their behaviour is in some way socially acceptable. At least, they say, they aren't as bad as those parents who shout and scream at their kids or hit their kids, the paedo believes that he has real , valuable relationships with children. The paedo teacher or priest believes he has a special bond with his pupils that has helped them pass exams and go on in life. In a way he has saved them from loveless lives etc etc. The paedo wishes to believe that he is not bad, but merely misunderstood by an irrational world.
The paedo who is restricted to devoting itself to the consumption of images of children will justify these actions by rationalising that by doing so he is preventing himself from taking actions far worse.
The paedo who does not use brute force but believes that he builds relationships with those he abuses will justify his actions by his self perceived gentleness.
The paedo who uses brute force but does not kill will similarly try to explain how moral his actions are.
At the end of the day this is about adults abusing children. As the state has obviously failed in protecting them by repeatedly placing paedo scum in close proximity, by providing minor penalties for people who access paedo material, schools have covered up paedo teachers, and churches have tried to hush up the presence of abusive priests, it is apparent that children, parents, and the wider community should be able to know the identity of convicted paedos.
If paedos believe they have an incurable disease, I would highly recommend they read the book Final Exit, by Derek Humphry, ISBN 0-3853365-3-5. It is available online and provides a relatively pain free, effective and permanent cure for those afflicted.
"Only lying to the Police" to protect a paedophile who had killed two young girls is hardly a minor matter.
The problem with comparing forms of neglect and shouting etc with paedophilia is that it can encourage paedos into thinking that their behaviour is in some way socially acceptable. At least, they say, they aren't as bad as those parents who shout and scream at their kids or hit their kids, the paedo believes that he has real , valuable relationships with children. The paedo teacher or priest believes he has a special bond with his pupils that has helped them pass exams and go on in life. In a way he has saved them from loveless lives etc etc. The paedo wishes to believe that he is not bad, but merely misunderstood by an irrational world.
The paedo who is restricted to devoting itself to the consumption of images of children will justify these actions by rationalising that by doing so he is preventing himself from taking actions far worse.
The paedo who does not use brute force but believes that he builds relationships with those he abuses will justify his actions by his self perceived gentleness.
The paedo who uses brute force but does not kill will similarly try to explain how moral his actions are.
At the end of the day this is about adults abusing children. As the state has obviously failed in protecting them by repeatedly placing paedo scum in close proximity, by providing minor penalties for people who access paedo material, schools have covered up paedo teachers, and churches have tried to hush up the presence of abusive priests, it is apparent that children, parents, and the wider community should be able to know the identity of convicted paedos.
If paedos believe they have an incurable disease, I would highly recommend they read the book Final Exit, by Derek Humphry, ISBN 0-3853365-3-5. It is available online and provides a relatively pain free, effective and permanent cure for those afflicted.
The vast majority of paedophiles never act on their impulses. Do you think they should kill themselves too?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Don't be so naive. Of course there is a direct connection.
Reported in the independant. August 2000.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rt-after-vigilante-attack-on-home-710776.html
BBC on the same story
And where does the hysteria come from? Oh what a surprise.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/872436.stm
Yeah but there is no connection with this kind of hysteria and peaceful protests of course.
Yeah but Pedo's innit?
