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And next, Syria?

Good old Chavez. Standing shoulder to shoulder with another orrible dictator in the name of "anti imperialism".

CARACAS, Apr 26, 2011 (AFP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez lent his support to embattled Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad on Monday, blasting what he called attempts by western powers to oust him by force.

"From here we greet president Bashar al-Assad," Chavez said, after witnesses reported that Syrian troops backed by tanks had rolled into the town of Daraa, the epicenter of recent anti-regime protests, killing at least 25 people.

"Terrorists are being infiltrated into Syria and producing violence and death -- and once again, the guilty one is the (Syrian) president, without anyone investigating anything," said Chavez.

http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidANA20110426T041925ZIVG88
 
Still lots of rumour about army defections...

After the mass of misinformation during the Libya uprising I can't help but think this is total nonsense, unfortunately

Syria is a total gangster state isn't it. 10% of the population keep the other 90% in place by looking down at them through a barrel of a gun
 
think Syria unlikely to be bombed unless he tries another Hama. NO way could NATO stand by and watch artillery used against rebels.
much better defenses and being next door to Israel possibility of real mayhem.
Syria nobody likes but after Iraq the leadership got the message play nice or else. These days you can probably kill a few dozen demonstrators before the world starts to take notice.

he's gone beyond that now nobody will be keen to be involved although the Syrian military isn't good for much its fairly well equipped but hi tech kit and Arab tryannys not a huge problem.

modern weapon systems need lots of technical people who in traditional Arab cultures don't get much respect and promotion is often who you know and are related to rather than how good you are.
would you climb into a jet fighter maintained by someone who gets paid poorly treated badly and refused promotion as not related to the boss?:(
 
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The banner reads: "Not Salafism nor Brotherhood, my religion is Freedom"
 
The body count is now over 500

"Every woman carried a loaf of bread and a jar of water. This is because when the security forces entered Deraa, they shelled the water tanks and there is no flour, bread, or electricity.

"We could not reach Deraa. We could only reach an area that is 600m away from Deraa. This is the last area one can reach before facing the security forces surrounding Deraa. The military gave us a warning that they will fire at us.

"They are not military. They belong to military intelligence and military security forces. They stand on the outskirts of the city and cut the road with huge roadblocks. We started chanting "with our soul and blood we sacrifice for you Deraa" and "whoever kills his people is a traitor".

"They gave us a warning and fired some tear gas. They gave us a warning on loud speakers that if we don’t leave in 15 minutes they will shell us with tanks.

"God willing, we will lift the siege imposed on Deraa on Friday. Everyone, all the youth, are looking forward to that, not fearing death. We are ready to be martyrs.

And it's going to increase tomorrow
 
There are some bloody grim videos from Syria right now. Only watch this if you think you can take seeing people whose heads have been ripped apart

 
I don't normally indulge in large c&p's but I think this is worth a read:

Wednesday, April 27, 2011
A Syrian woman responds to "From Syria with Doubt"
A reader kindly translated the response by the Syrian woman (from yesterday) to the letter "From Syria with Doubt". Here it is:
"I am a Syrian woman, and I write to you about the letter of that Lebanese person who wrote to you about his observations in Syria, and I hope that you publish my letter or some of it.
1. The Syrian people are not sectarian in their character, and this is a real truth, and the history and demographic distribution in Syria proves it. I personally am from a religious Muslim family, and when I went to Damascus to study, I lived with a Christian family in Bab Tuma. I grew up in school with Alawites and they were my friends and neighbors. The Syrian people are very tolerant when it comes to religion. Perhaps the greatest evidence of this is the ascension of Faris al-Khoury to the office of prime minister in Syria and the ascension of Hafez al-Assad himself to the position of defense minister.
2. The one who circulates the sectarian viewpoint and sectarian thinking is the regime itself, for it acts in line with the logic of "divide and conquer." The minorities fear the rule of the majority. We call for choosing a president from any religion or sect (according to elections) and that the presidential term be term-limited (No lifetime presidency!).
3. We are revolting in the face of oppression and corruption and tyranny and one-party rule and the rule of the Assad family and its entourage over the country's destiny. We are revolting against the absence, in any way, shape, or form, of human freedoms. The mere belief that our noble struggle for the sake of our freedom [is not, in fact, so comes from] stupid, fictitious stories like that which the regime circulates, like foreign conspiracies and Salafi gangs and the like nonsense. It is a betrayal of the blood of the righteous innocent while they faced, with bared chests, a fascist regime on a killing frenzy.
4. We are calling for a secular, civil, democratic state that respects all of its citizens.
5. If there is some ignorance in some of the protesters' circles, let's ask ourselves: who worked for 48 years to sanctify ignorance, to spend hundreds of millions on building the branches of state security and intelligence and idols and ugly images? Who brought the education level to the bottom in order to ban [free] thought and expression? Isn't it the regime of the Ba'ath Party? I don't recall one instance of modernization or one time that new books were added to the cultural center in my small town. And they ask why the youth fall victim to some of the Salafis and the people who circulate suicidal discourses. But even if some Salafis or Muslim Brothers were found amongst the demonstrators, that doesn't mean, in any case, that they will come to power or that Syria will become a religious state. So who said that the Salafis and the Muslim Brothers will be more bloody and more savage than the current regime that claims to be secular and socialist!?
6. Religious or racial or sectarian bigotry is present in all societies, and immunity against bigotry comes from justice and equality and the rule of law and an independent judiciary. This is exactly what the regime in Syria has failed to do since the Ba'ath raped authority and Hafez al-Assad overthrew his friends!
7. I don't agree with your idea that Saudi Arabia or Qatar have a personal interest in the success of the Syrian Revolution. For the interest of Saudi Arabia and Qatar now, at least, is in the Syrian regime staying because they [the Saudis and Qataris] are well aware that their turn is coming. They know that the success of the revolution in Syria will lead to their own downfalls sooner or later. Unfortunately for the Syrian people, the interest of Saudi Arabia and Hizbullah and Iran and America and Israel and Hamas - all of them - is in the continuance of the Syrian regime. For the sake of that, we see the shameful silence towards the killing of hundreds. We Syrians must count on ourselves and our patience and our strength on the path to our freedom.

8. The Syrian Revolution is a noble, popular revolution for the sake of overthrowing the regime that has shamed us from history and violated our humanity.
9. This is a very personal opinion. The Middle East will not be completely liberated until the downfall of all of the religious regimes that trade in God and religion like Saudi Arabian and Iran. Syria will not be a religious state and the regime will fall. Thank you."
Posted by As'ad AbuKhalil at 6:57 AM

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/04/syrian-woman-responds-to-from-syria.html?spref=tw
 
Where did the figure of 500 come from?

Syrian human rights organisation Sawasiah said on Thursday that at least 500 civilians have been killed in the protests. Sawasiah, which was founded by jailed Syrian human rights lawyer Muhannad al-Hassani, also said thousands of Syrians have been arrested and scores have gone missing after demonstrations demanding political freedom and an end to corruption erupted almost six weeks ago.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/28/syria-hundreds-resign-baath-party
 
Hmm, what is that org's goal here, to relay the absolute truth or to effect change through feeding the emotionally invested, and giving 'just' cause to international bodies that could be levered into helping?
 
You can find the absolute truth in maths equations

However, if you want the absolute truth from a dictatorship that is cutting off phone lines, the internet and even setting up road blocks around targeted areas then you will not find it

But as you are the emotionally crippled then reports of 50, 500 or 5000 dead won't affect you
 
Hmm, what is that org's goal here, to relay the absolute truth or to effect change through feeding the emotionally invested, and giving 'just' cause to international bodies that could be levered into helping?
It might be. Who cares? It's obvious to anyone whose seen the videos, read the eyewitness accounts etc that the regime is gunning people down by the score and has been over the past few weeks in towns all over Syria.
 
You can find the absolute truth in maths equations

However, if you want the absolute truth from a dictatorship that is cutting off phone lines, the internet and even setting up road blocks around targeted areas then you will not find it

But as you are the emotionally crippled then reports of 50, 500 or 5000 dead won't affect you
LOL. Emotionally invested much?
 
It was, I had no idea of the source.

Which i gave you. Glad to help

I don't know much about Sawasiah but they seem very respected. They are a local NGO and are led by jailed lawyer Muhannad Al-Hassani who is serving a 3 year sentence for his human rights work in observing political show trials.


Al-Hassani is the President of the Syrian Organization for Human Rights (Sawasiyah), a leading human rights organization that has been denied official registration by the Syrian authorities since its establishment in 2004.

He was arrested on 28 July, 2009 for allegedly having reported information on proceedings at the notorious Supreme State Security Court, which falls far short of international standards for fair trial.

A judge charged him with "weakening national sentiments" and "spreading false information that could debilitate the morale of the nation and harm the reputation of the state abroad".

(He) was named as the winner of the 2010 Martin Ennals Award, the most prestigious international prize recognizing the work of human rights defenders around the world.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-...lawyer-wins-top-human-rights-award-2010-05-11
 
LOL. Yep, like no one around here knows anything about that.

The quote came after I asked :confused:

I don't quite get this - people into campaigns, demonstrations, fightbacks etc are gonna be emotionally invested, sure. Are you saying that this is a bad thing, just because people with vested interests (round up the usual suspects) may well want to use something genuine to their own ends?
 
I don't quite get this - people into campaigns, demonstrations, fightbacks etc are gonna be emotionally invested, sure. Are you saying that this is a bad thing, just because people with vested interests (round up the usual suspects) may well want to use something genuine to their own ends?
Hundreds of examples of how people lose perspective and their judgement goes to shit when they let emotions rule. End up doing far more harm than good because they let emotions rule over strategy and pragmatism.
 
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