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Does seem to be where draft dodging East Aleppo evacuees are being sent according to family reports.

Conditions in the SAA are generally bad anyway with even officers dwelling in slums and having to grift to thieve to make ends meet.
 

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4. The Ministers agree on the importance of expanding ceasefire, unhindered humanitarian assistance and free movement of civilians throughout the country.

5. Iran, Russia and Turkey express their readiness to facilitate and become the guarantors of the prospective agreement, being negotiated, between the Syrian Government and the opposition. They invited all other countries with the influence on the situation on the ground to do the same.

6. They strongly believe that this Agreement will be instrumental to create the necessary momentum for the resumption of the political process in Syria in accordance with the UNSC resolution 2254.

7. The Ministers take note of the kind offer of the President of Kazakhstan to host relevant meetings in Astana.

8. Iran, Russia and Turkey reiterate their determination to fight jointly against ISIL/DAESH and Al-Nusra and to separate from them armed opposition groups.
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And Assad will probably have none of it as usual.
 
On MEE 'Wait until the harvest': Leading figures in Iran, Lebanon warn of Aleppo fallout
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'This will take two decades to resolve'

Reformist diplomat Mir Mahmoud Mousavi - a member of a high-profile political dynasty in Iran - joined the criticism of the Aleppo onslaught, saying that the fall of Aleppo was nothing but “two nights of joy" which Tehran will be worrying about for the next 30 years.

"The killing of 300,000 people and the displacement of 12 million others in Syria will only lead to hatred and violence; there will be 10 million Syrian families affected and living amid hatred,” he told the reformist Sharq newspaper in an interview.

“This will need two decades to be resolved,” he said, adding that “things are worsening in Syria.”

Mir Mahmoud Mousavi comes from an important political family in Iran.

His brother is Mir-Hossein Mousavi, the former Iranian prime minister between 1981 and 1989.

Mir-Hossein Mousavi famously ran against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the 2009 presidential elections and lost amid claims of vote rigging, trigging widespread protests. He has remained under house arrest ever since.

The Lebanese Shia academic and political analyst Hareth Sleiman was similarly gloomy about prospects for peace in the region in the wake of Aleppo’s fall.

“You have planted the seeds of death, and destruction, and hatred, and savagery,” he wrote on his Facebook page. “So wait until the harvest season.”

He called recent events in Aleppo “a shame on humanity, and a decline in its status.”

“Shame on the monsters Putin, Khameini, Assad, and mercenaries from all corners of the world, those who dance with glee to the crime, and those who gloat in the face of the blood of children and tears of women,” he continued.

“The victory that the Axis of Resistance are happy with,” he wrote, “will not be a victory for you, not today and not tomorrow.”
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A little Twelver dissent on Aleppo.
 
On Al Monitor Animosity toward Iran reaches fever pitch in Turkey after Aleppo
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Yusuf Kaplan, a columnist for the pro-government Yeni Safak, argued that Iran has become the prime instrument of the West, which is trying to break the backbone of the Islamic world by driving Iran into a confrontation with Turkey.

“Iran’s path is a very dangerous one and therefore it must be stopped,” Kaplan said. He maintained, however, that the way to do this “is not by war or falling into the sectarian trap,” but by “intelligent strategies and diplomatic steps.”

Kaplan said, “If Iran can’t be stopped, the region will face an unimaginably bloody and dangerous future.”

Ibrahim Karagul, Yeni Safak’s editor-in-chief, likened Iran to “the Crusaders who occupied Jerusalem and killed all its Muslim inhabitants” in the 11th century, and “the Mongolians who destroyed Baghdad” in the 13th century.

He said Tehran’s aim is not to simply protect the Syrian regime. “It has gotten hold of Iraq, and now wants to grab Syria and extend its borders to the shores of the Mediterranean,” according to Karagul.

Kenan Alpay of the Islamist daily Yeni Akit argued that anyone who defends Iran today is merely “committed to sullying President Erdogan and Islamic sensitivities.”

Alpay also castigated those “who have foolishly latched on to arguments about brotherhood among sects … when Iran has unleashed what is turning into a genocide against Sunnis.” He also encourages demonstrations outside the Iranian Consulate in Istanbul.

This is only a sampling of what is being written in the pro-government Islamist press against Iran. The cold-blooded murder of the Russian ambassador provides an example of what this kind of agitation can lead to.

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Note the tin foil hat wearing anti-Western tilt even while having a bash at the Iranians. Turkish state press pretty silent on Russia's role in East Aleppo in contrast. That may be smaller than our MSM and Russian state media tends to play it.
 
mikey mikey said:
Meanwhile people celebrate Xmas in Syria
Christmas In Syria Pictures: As War Rages In Aleppo, Assad Supporters Share Christian Holiday Traditions [PHOTOS]

This is despite reports that an explosion set by those who would kill innocent participants. No casualties, fortunately.
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Can you share some picture of people trying to have end of year or religious celebrations in the areas that have been destroyed by the regime barrel bombs and russian air strikes and iranian artillery please?
 
mikey mikey said:
Aaron Stein, ehy Crabbedone?
Works for the Atlantic Council, doesn't he?
Interesting but halfway down the page of this article about that group/
The Money Trail: Romney, PNAC, & The Billionaires
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It's probably far more signifiant that Stein's wife is Turkish.

I do get tired of folk pointing out the obvious fact serious academics work for think tanks funded by A, B or C that may have an agenda. It's akin to post-truth climate change deniers assuming scientists are entirely motivated by funding and just pumping out unsupported BS. The editorial line these places have is often in practice a much weaker one compared to the comfortable consensus of many broadsheets. There's rather more obvious bias in our MSM and other more obvious state medias.

You can't get much of a grasp of what's going on in Syria without a critical reading across sources. Even obviously very slanted ones like LWJ, Rudaw or the often squirrely UK Independent have their occasional value.
 
copliker said:
Just noticed that the new loon idol Eva Bartlett has a youtube interview on "The Richie Allen Show In Association With David Icke". 500k views. Half of them casuallyredbrown and camo probably amirite?
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Here's another 100% takedown of her recent claims - i wonder how long we'll have to wait to see the words MSM - quicker than it would take them to read the piece probably.

The comments on this piece are astonishing. Is that what people see/think when they read what's being regularly posted on here by some posters nowadays i wonder?
 
butchersapron said:
Here's another 100% takedown of her recent claims - i wonder how long we'll have to wait to see the words MSM - quicker than it would take them to read the piece probably.

The comments on this piece are astonishing. Is that what people see/think when they read what's being regularly posted on here by some posters nowadays i wonder?
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loon said:
You remind me of the squirrel in Ice Age in your desperation to block all the leaks in the ice wall.
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Cool reference bro. Like a playschool Zizek. Identical m.o as holocaust denial as you said earlier which is not at all surprising given the source of this stuff. So what if it gets ripped apart. Just keep pumping it out and play to people's prejudices and lack of time. The difference between now and then is they've got RT and the like on their side.
 
From TCF Into the Tunnels
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The efforts to establish a new political order under Alloush’s dominance make the Eastern Ghouta important to understand—and tragically relevant for the rest of Syria and, indeed, for other fragmented insurgencies. For over five years, the Syrian opposition has failed to produce any viable alternatives to the government it seeks to replace. Only two credible state-building projects have emerged in the territories abandoned by Assad’s regime: the Sunni-fundamentalist “caliphate” of the so-called Islamic State, and the Rojava region run by secular-leftist Kurdish groups. However, both have developed in opposition to the general thrust of the Sunni Arab insurgency and neither could hope to seize Damascus and rule Syria. While other Syrian opposition groups have created a variety of coalitions, military councils, and rival leaderships-in-exile, they have failed to develop effective ground-level governing structures that supersede factional divides and are able to impose themselves on the population. In the Eastern Ghouta, an exception to that rule seemed to be taking shape in 2014–15, led by the Islam Army.
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Excellent piece by Lund on the much ignored five year struggle out in Eastern Ghouta. Well it's very Syrian and there's not the same obvious clash of meddling external powers that we see in Aleppo. Centred on the remarkable Jaysh al Islam operation built on a base of long opposition to the authoritarian secularism of the Baath. The angry, excluded Rif versus the pretty smug regime Medina of Damascus.

It's a story of factions and a good deal of ordinary decent organised crime that ends in infighting. The Salafi of Hanbali school dominated Douma actually somewhat cultivated by the Baath as an antidote to the MB. It bred the impressive Zahran Alloush with his deep Gulf connections he was perhaps the only really charismatic revolutionary leader of the conflict who emerged as a dominating force. Fiercely anti-democratic, focused on the "Near Enemy", an enemy of IS, often sectarian and brutally authoritarian all elements that appealed to many rebels. The opposition of conservative Sufi clerics to the rising Salafists and their internal ideological divisions are interesting aspects here.

The spectacular corruption of the Syrian war economy with both sides profiteering furiously is very entrepreneurial. It's even led to elements of rebel administrations persisting despite restored state dominance.
 
mikey mikey said:
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He did a very good job there and spot on about the deeply ingrained Russophobia in British society .I wonder if any embittered , hate filled types on the " left " respond to Boris Johnsons urgings and promptings and go after the Russian embassy in London will Boris have their back ?
 
On Airwars Latest Russia data release shows steep fall in likely civilian deaths for Spring 2016
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Airwars researchers are currently assessing almost 1,000 additional casualty incidents since May 1st 2016 that allegedly involved Russia – including a record 215 events in November alone. This near-unceasing bombing has mainly been in support of regime efforts to recapture rebel-held areas of eastern Aleppo – though other areas of Syria have also been badly hit.

For a brief period in Spring 2016 Russia showed that it was capable of some restraint in Syria. That time has now passed.

Human Rights Watch has determined that Russian-Syrian airstrikes on eastern Aleppo during September and October amounted to war crimes. More recently, the UN’s human rights chief Zeid Ra’ad al Hussein said on December 14th that “the resumption of extremely heavy bombardment by the Syrian Government forces and their allies on an area packed with civilians is almost certainly a violation of international law and most likely constitutes war crimes.”
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That's quite a backlog. I'd be rather skeptical they can tell Russian bombing from regime activity.
 
(transferred from other thread) The Jihadi (AQ, nusra, ISIS) are being supported by the US and the UK in order to oust Assad in a long term foreign to cause regime change in Syria.
 
They want to whip me for telling the truth, you want to whip me for lying, and sometimes I'm even whipped for keeping quiet. I'd rather be anything besides a fool.
 
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