Assad's militia probably did the same or worse. Why do you weep for them? The uprising started out as peaceful protests. It was Assad who ordered his thugs to mow them down. I still cheer for the rebels.
And next, Syria?
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DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
So far there has been a disappointing lack of improvised weaponry of the type with which the Libyan rebs kept us in lols.
Considering the calls for the extermination of all Alawites, the loose way the term "shabiha" is used and the fact that western media simply lap up the armed opposition's propaganda, I wouldn't assume that these guys getting executed have anything to do with the regime.
Also it didn't take long for armed groups to emerge even if it was very under-reported. The uprising had peaceful and armed components almost from the start.
That's not entirely true - I think some journalists are allowed in. Furthermore there are others who are smuggled in. Even then the media could take the claims of various folk they talk to in Beirut with a bit of scepticism and try a bit of questioning. They could also try talking to refugees driven out of their homes by the "rebels". (I dislike the terms "rebel" and "activist" - they are apolitical. It makes it seem as if they are simply opposing the regime with no agenda of their own.)
Why are foreign media banned? You think I don't know that the regime wants to cover up its own atrocities?
Opposition figure Mamoun Al-Homsi a while back, wasn't it? Video rant.
There's that that more - at least apparently. I have to rely on second hand accounts as I don't speak arabic, though.
Here's the vid?
It's not just Alawites. It's all Shia's in general. Idiots here forget Sunnis don't consider Shia muslims as Muslims at all. Practically every week they are blowing up Shia worshippers in car bombings over in Iraq. Pakistan has a shia population which is also targetted by these fundy Sunnis. You only got to look at terrorist attacks around the world in the west and elsewhere to see that it's Sunnis who are the perpetrators. Madrid, Paris, London, New York. All the work of fundy Sunnis.
This is just the mirror of the sectarian language used by Sunni Islamists. Why the focus on the Shia in particular and not, say, Christians? It is Alawites who have the most to fear because they are the easiest to associate with the regime. They are the primary scapegoats in Syria - but that's not to deny that all other religious minorities are threatened by Salafi and Sunni Islamist gangs.
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gaslit at scale.
said TomUS, licking his lips with eyes alight at the thought of it; the killings to come, the school-halls to be filled with corpses like piles of discarded rags... his erection throbbed.
The vast majority of Alawites have no association with the regime. Indeed, many came out in protests against the regime. It must be pretty difficult to be Alawite and opposed to the regime now though considering that many in the armed opposition will slit throats and ask questions later.
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gaslit at scale.
Pertaining article here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...purned-by-rebels-in-syria/?page=all#pagebreak
Sad, from what I've read the Alawites got into power in the first place because the army and the security services were among the few places they could get work, so the Alawites became concentrated in those sectors. Come the inevitable middle-eastern military coup and boom; Bashar's yer uncle.
Basically it's economic-conscription turning a minority into the hated overlord; with Fox-befuddled buffoons talking about them (men, women, children an old-folk) like they are the Waffen SS or some sort of Doomsday Sect. One get's the impression that the message in the West is a bit of sectarian genocide would be quite alright and only just at this point, sick twisted clusterfuck of a thing this is.
sunny jim
A pikey fluffy type
Some good analysis here about how the Syrian revolution has been turned into a more sectarian agenda, with democracy and tolerance not being the aims of the rebels.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/charles-shoebridge/post_3720_b_1722772.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/charles-shoebridge/post_3720_b_1722772.html
the bit here is what i've telling people for ages:
saudi brand of islamic is barbaric, ghastly and medieval.
sunny jim
A pikey fluffy type
Anybody know anything about this new anti Assad group 'The Council for the Syrian Revolution'? Like is it progressive, democratic and socialist and anti the ultra religious, misogynist and barbaric Saudi/Qatar regimes? I couldnt find out much of their politics online only that they were opposed to the SNC.
True. So is the Assad regime. If the Saudis are willing to help bring it down.....good.
Obama authorized covert action. Good going Barack. Supposedly no weapons aid yet but give them money & they'll acquire the weapons.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/01/us/syria-rebels-us-aid/index.html
Johnny Canuck3
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Maybe, maybe not. It might be instructive to examine what happened to the Tikritis after Saddam was deposed.
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
Here's some more detail on the Kurdish uprising:
http://www.agenceglobal.com/index.php?show=article&Tid=2844
http://www.agenceglobal.com/index.php?show=article&Tid=2844
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gaslit at scale.
fuck sake, rub shit in the wound like it's ointment. Doctor Yanqui, go the fuck home and stay there.
sunny jim
A pikey fluffy type
It seems really strange to support Jihadists/Al Qaeda types in Syria while bombing them with drones in Pakistan. Do the US/UK think they're a friendlier bunch in Syria, or maybe different to the ones that are indiscriminately bombing civilians in Iraq? Well, they're the same people who if they win will cause years of strife. Imagine a regime like Taliban run Afghanistan, complete with with chemical weapons on the right on Europes doorstep.
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double-think. Let's destroy Syria in order to Liberate it, let's pour money and guns into the increasingly sectarian civil-war-zone so that the people can be free of terror and tyranny.
elbows
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What a waste of imagination, crudely applying the history of one country to a very different country, laced with a chemical threat to europe thats up there with the worst of the war on terror propaganda.
It is interesting to consider the detail of what end-game the US, UK, Saudi, Qatar, Turkey etc would like for Syria. Although it is too easy to get carried away with the idea that in countries from Iraq to Libya the desire has been to create weak and chaotic states, this may be part of the plan for Syria. Perhaps they dont care that much at the moment, with eyes mostly being on the prize of further isolating Iran.
And I certainly dont think they spend that much time worrying about creating failed states that are harbours for terrorists. We only hear about such things as part of propaganda when justifications are sought to isolate, bomb or invade a particular country.
And what do you suggest? Sit back & watch Assad crush the opposition & continue oppressive rule for another 40 years or so? We don't know what would take it's place but we know very well the nature of the current regime. The continuation of the Alawite minority dictatorship ruling the majority Sunnis isn't sustainable any more than white SA rule was. Turkey is majority Sunni & is not run by jihadists.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
There's only one direction towards an improvement in the situation in my opinion, hard boring unglamorous diplomacy, negotiation, compromise and reform. Unsexy, perhaps even unsatisfying, but better than the alternative.
It's tragic that the Syrian spring was so thoroughly hijacked and weaponed to serve the agendas of foreign interests to whom the Syrian people themselves are merely useful dead.
It's tragic that the Syrian spring was so thoroughly hijacked and weaponed to serve the agendas of foreign interests to whom the Syrian people themselves are merely useful dead.
There were popular protests in cities all over Syria for months that were met by brutal suppression by the Shabiha and security forces, hundreds if not thousands of activists were being locked up and tortured, but this didn't quell dissent and protests continued culminating in massacres as the the military were ordered to shoot demonstrators. The FSA is primarily composed of defected military units (presumably horrified by what's going on) and Syrian citizens, all this has been going on for ages and Assad has been laying siege to entire cities. Diplomacy really, Assad has destroyed his chances and his country.
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