And next, Syria?

[butchersapron]

The main body of Russian military were engaged in protecting the Russian air assets in Latakia. Latakias been cleansed of jihadis now, they've been routed by the syrian army and driven out . They simply aren't needed any more to protect the aircraft . Which are staying and which will continue to drop seriously bad news on the loons whenever required .

Let me get this right, the regime was on the verge of military collapse 6 months ago?

 

[teqniq]

An up to date map might be informative

 

[Geri]

Might be of interest to anyone in London:

An evening of Syrian politics, literature...and rap

This is cancelled now

 

[Casually Red]

So we are thinking: having scared (off) NATO, by showing how strong the Russian military can be, they have to get out now before they get a bloody nose?

Also maybe they do not have the money or supplies to keep going at this rate for the next three years, and three after that, and so on?

They aren't getting out though, merely reducing their presence . Which wasn't very big to begin with, despite the dramatic achievements it made in such a short space of time . Money isn't an issue because what they've been dropping with a small force in Syria is easily equivalent to what they'd normally be dropping on empty fields in Russia during training and manoeuvres. Plus they get to see exactly how it works in real combat. Invaluable .
Making the announcement on the eve of the peace talks is a diplomatic victory, puts major pressure on their opponents to reciprocate . Again effectively throwing a desperate John Kerry a bone .
They draw down leaving the rebel groups very badly fractured, bereft of key territory and supply routes, and the western demand that " Assad must go " tossed scornfully in the bin . With the Syrian government and military greatly strengthened and free to concentrate on eliminating the major rebel groups who fall outside the ceasefire remit . AndRussian allies , bases and assets greatly secure and under no danger of failing . All managed in the space of months .

And yet again the western powers taken by complete surprise. No inkling at all this was in the pipeline . Just as it was when they started.

 

[butchersapron]

It's huge and eveything and better than planned and the best thing ever said the cheapest best value and the best curry in the area.

 

[Spymaster]

Cannelloni

 

[butchersapron]

Cannelloni

Not the thread for you, or to continue your midlife crisis stuff on. But go on, prove me wrong - say something about the last 5 years.

 

[Spymaster]

Panettoni

 

[camouflage]

They aren't getting out though, merely reducing their presence . Which wasn't very big to begin with, despite the dramatic achievements it made in such a short space of time . Money isn't an issue because what they've been dropping with a small force in Syria is easily equivalent to what they'd normally be dropping on empty fields in Russia during training and manoeuvres. Plus they get to see exactly how it works in real combat. Invaluable .
Making the announcement on the eve of the peace talks is a diplomatic victory, puts major pressure on their opponents to reciprocate . Again effectively throwing a desperate John Kerry a bone .
They draw down leaving the rebel groups very badly fractured, bereft of key territory and supply routes, and the western demand that " Assad must go " tossed scornfully in the bin . With the Syrian government and military greatly strengthened and free to concentrate on eliminating the major rebel groups who fall outside the ceasefire remit . AndRussian allies , bases and assets greatly secure and under no danger of failing . All managed in the space of months .

And yet again the western powers taken by complete surprise. No inkling at all this was in the pipeline . Just as it was when they started.

The grand strategy of a realist, leaves yer standard double-think ideologically Westcentric fanatic spinning in the dust spouting nonesense about curry doesn't it. Good to see the negotiated world making a comeback, hopefully leaving the sanctions, ultimatums and unilateral regime-change "wuz like this when I got here with ma C-130 Gunship bcoz Sykes-Picot in'it" half a million dead kids worth it world a thing of the past. The decline of Exceptionalism as a happy go lucky default kinda thing, "there are other actors out there and they can be smarter than you, consider not playing games with other people's countries anymore."

 

[butchersapron]

Chopping the genitals off of little boys, torturing him with cigarettes and electricity and then dumping the dead body outside the parents house as a message. That's what your zany words amount to you scary fucking freak.

 

[camouflage]

Chopping the genitals off of little boys, torturing him with cigarettes and electricity and then dumping the dead body outside the parents house as a message. That's what your zany words amount to you scary fucking freak.

Step away from the keyboard, contact your support worker. I hope you are able to find peace etc.

 

[butchersapron]

Step away from the keyboard, contact your support worker. I hope you are able to find peace etc.

What side killed this child - can you remember? Freak.

 

[Casually Red]

The grand strategy of a realist, leaves yer standard double-think ideologically Westcentric fanatic spinning in the dust spouting nonesense about curry doesn't it. Good to see the negotiated world making a comeback, hopefully leaving the sanctions, ultimatums and unilateral regime-change "wuz like this when I got here with ma C-130 Gunship bcoz Sykes-Picot in'it" half a million dead kids worth it world a thing of the past. The decline of Exceptionalism as a happy go lucky default kinda thing, "there are other actors out there and they can be smarter than you, consider not playing games with other people's countries anymore."

Theyve given the yanks a face saver with this announcement . Having trounced their erstwhile proxies and scuppered any notion of regime change while barely breaking a sweat...in mere months..there's little to be gained by rubbing it in too much . The yanks are supplying gear to different groups who've been killing each other with it, they're totally clueless about what to do next . Utterly clueless about how they even got into this mess much less how to get out of it . Putin is just gently leading them by the hand at this point. Like showing a confused toddler how to use the potty . Again .

Naturally the mouthpieces will try and spin this as Russian weakness. Just like they were spinning this as the Russian quagmire, another Afghanistan..imminent bankrupting of Russia...massive protests inevitable against Putin when the thousands of dead Russians are shipped home...failure..doom ...and the ineffective Russian air strikes...totally ineffective....remember all that ...for months on end ?

So now it's terrified Russia running away..unable to afford any more bombs. Yup. More expert analysis..from the experts. Sages, geniuses, finger on the pulse...listen to that wisdom. And marvel at it .

 

[camouflage]

What side killed this child - can you remember? Freak.

And this is why we want the war to draw to a close. War is cruelties and atrocities and people dying every single day in large numbers. Ceasefire? Boo hiss! say you apparently, really? Russian action has shown results and now they draw down operations as talks begin in Geneva, with the formerly refusenik opposition finally ready to talk. You're against this? Fuck you you ideological psycopath, more in love with your Russophobia and demonization of a Middle Eastern state and its president than with human life. Do the 70 percent of Assads supporters even exist for you or are they "outside of history", not fitting in with your preferences. Fuck your crusade, when Assad goes it will be at the Syrians say so, not yours or Camerons or Obamas or Clintons.

 

[butchersapron]

And this is why we want the war to draw to a close. War is cruelties and atrocities and people dy8ng every single day in large numbers. Ceace-fire? Boo hiss say you apparently, really? Russian action has shown results and now they draw down operations as talks begin in Geneva, with the formerly refusenik opposition finally ready to talk. You're against this? Fuck you you ideological psycopath, more in love with your Russophobia and demonization of a Middle Eastern state and its president state than with human life. Do the 70 percent of Assads supporters even exist for you or are they "outside of history", not fitting in with your preferences.

Amazing this - demand the same rights as you would (if you ever did anything expect go on the internet and watch videos) and the murderous response to that, is ok in your mind. Just part of giving peace a chance.

 

[camouflage]

Theyve given the yanks a face saver with this announcement . Having trounced their erstwhile proxies and scuppered any notion of regime change while barely breaking a sweat...in mere months..there's little to be gained by rubbing it in too much . The yanks are supplying gear to different groups who've been killing each other with it, they're totally clueless about what to do next . Utterly clueless about how they even got into this mess much less how to get out of it . Putin is just gently leading them by the hand at this point. Like showing a confused toddler how to use the potty . Again .

Naturally the mouthpieces will try and spin this as Russian weakness. Just like they were spinning this as the Russian quagmire, another Afghanistan..imminent bankrupting of Russia...massive protests inevitable against Putin when the thousands of dead Russians are shipped home...failure..doom ...and the ineffective Russian air strikes...totally ineffective....remember all that ...for months on end ?

So now it's terrified Russia running away..unable to afford any more bombs. Yup. More expert analysis..from the experts. Sages, geniuses, finger on the pulse...listen to that wisdom. And marvel at it .

Content to leave em circle-jerking for the most part, who cares what they think is happening with their usual haughty dirision for out of group opinions. Thankfully there's no harm in it as the forum crusaders cannot impact the Syrians themselves.

You're spot of about the potty training, its the art of war and diplomacy in conjunction that's been demonstrated here, grand strategy rather than the hubris led bludgeoing of those who imagine themselves the masters of history, where atrocities only happen to the right kind of victim.

 

[butchersapron]

The amazing thing is that, after reading about the torture and murder of a child their reaction is this is the side i want to get behind, if they do even more of it, say 13 000 times, fuck yeah.

 

[Casually Red]

And this is why we want the war to draw to a close. War is cruelties and atrocities and people dying every single day in large numbers. Ceasefire? Boo hiss! say you apparently, really? Russian action has shown results and now they draw down operations as talks begin in Geneva, with the formerly refusenik opposition finally ready to talk. You're against this? Fuck you you ideological psycopath, more in love with your Russophobia and demonization of a Middle Eastern state and its president than with human life. Do the 70 percent of Assads supporters even exist for you or are they "outside of history", not fitting in with your preferences. Fuck your crusade, when Assad goes it will be at the Syrians say so, not yours or Camerons or Obamas or Clintons.

He's peddling that fake child castration trope again . Kid was riddled with gunfire during an armed assault on an army compound he very unwisely accompanied, egged on by mosque preachers . He was dead well before he got into custody . He lay unclaimed and unidentified for a prolonged period and decomposed, bits simply fell off . That's what happens in a desert climate and no embalming . Assad met the family himself .

Youve noted I'm sure all those pics of dead Syrian rebels, every single time you see them the boots are off, belts opened, trousers tugged down . Every time . You know why ? Because that's to stop the feet and other bits falling off by the time someone arrives to take the bodies away . Which can take time . If you don't do that when you lift them by the feet all you're holding onto is 2 sloppy boots . That's what happened that kid . He decomposed after being riddled by a Kalashnikov during a rebel assault .

 

[camouflage]

.

 

[butchersapron]

He's peddling that fake child castration trope again . Kid was riddled with gunfire during an armed assault on an army compound he very unwisely accompanied, egged on by mosque preachers . He was dead well before he got into custody . He lay unclaimed and unidentified for a prolonged period and decomposed, bits simply fell off . That's what happens in a desert climate and no embalming . Assad met the family himself .

Youve noted I'm sure all those pics of dead Syrian rebels, every single time you see them the boots are off, belts opened, trousers tugged down . Every time . You know why ? Because that's to stop the feet and other bits falling off by the time someone arrives to take the bodies away . Which can take time . If you don't do that when you lift them by the feet all you're holding onto is 2 sloppy boots . That's what happened that kid . He decomposed after being riddled by a Kalashnikov during a rebel assault .

Beyond wow. Picked your side well camo. Well done.

You fucking scary freaks.

 

[butchersapron]

He's peddling that fake child castration trope again . Kid was riddled with gunfire during an armed assault on an army compound he very unwisely accompanied, egged on by mosque preachers . He was dead well before he got into custody . He lay unclaimed and unidentified for a prolonged period and decomposed, bits simply fell off . That's what happens in a desert climate and no embalming . Assad met the family himself .

Youve noted I'm sure all those pics of dead Syrian rebels, every single time you see them the boots are off, belts opened, trousers tugged down . Every time . You know why ? Because that's to stop the feet and other bits falling off by the time someone arrives to take the bodies away . Which can take time . If you don't do that when you lift them by the feet all you're holding onto is 2 sloppy boots . That's what happened that kid . He decomposed after being riddled by a Kalashnikov during a rebel assault .

Scummiest post i've ever seen on here.

 

[Casually Red]

McCains corpse eaters have effectively lost. The terms of their surrender ..those who will be allowed surrender that is...will now be dictated to them in Geneva , by President Assad . No amount of wailing and shrieking about a terrified defeated Russia running away will obscure the magnitude of the humiliating defeat levelled against western imperialist ambitions and their zombie legions .
I'd just love to see McCains face now.

Think that's been superimposed over Butchers mug
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[Flavour]

And this is why we want the war to draw to a close. War is cruelties and atrocities and people dying every single day in large numbers. Ceasefire? Boo hiss! say you apparently, really? Russian action has shown results and now they draw down operations as talks begin in Geneva, with the formerly refusenik opposition finally ready to talk. You're against this? Fuck you you ideological psycopath, more in love with your Russophobia and demonization of a Middle Eastern state and its president than with human life. Do the 70 percent of Assads supporters even exist for you or are they "outside of history", not fitting in with your preferences. Fuck your crusade, when Assad goes it will be at the Syrians say so, not yours or Camerons or Obamas or Clintons.

this is incoherent. "We want the war to draw to a close..." what does this even mean? Draw to a close? You mean you want everyone to lay down arms and accept the survival of the Assad regime. The barrel bomber. All that other war against Assad is the bad war, we need that to stop, and if Assad and his allies/supporters/foreign overlords need to exercise even more violence against their enemies in order to end "the war" in general, well, that's good, 'cos it ends "the war". Russian action has indeed shown results: it's crippled the opposition in the North West.

P.S. 70% Assad supporters? Where in the world did you get this obscene figure? Even with half the country in exile, there's no way the level of support among those who remain is 70%.

 

[Flavour]

dp

 

[laptop]

Scummiest post i've ever seen on here.

It's the enthusiasm that's particularly sickening. As with another thread.

 

[teqniq]

It's all a bit mental health issues for me.

 

[teqniq]

More speculation but this time by Western diplomats rather than me, still it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

Vladimir Putin 'is willing to ditch Assad to end the five-year conflict'

 

[Doctor Carrot]

It's all a bit mental health issues for me.

He is too wedded to the 'everything bad that happens in the world is the west's fault so the west are always bad. Everything, good or bad, that anyone else does is always a counter to the west and it's always good even if it's scathingly obvious that it's bad' narrative. To maintain that commitment he has to fully commit to cognitive dissonance. Note how there's not a single criticism, not one, of any of Assad's actions. Not a single criticsm of Putin's actions either. It's a full scale swallowing whole of both states propaganda. Not only has he swallowed it whole he outright celebrates the actions of the murderer. That level of non criticsm, that blanket support is just weird and you know anyone who engages in that level of blanket support is not worth paying attention too.

 

[teqniq]

 

[butchersapron]

I liked this one from MERIP, git a more nuanced less state-focused perspective: Did Russian Intervention Break the Syrian Stalemate?

The disruption of the stalemate resulted in an agreement on a ceasefire, which took effect on February 27. Paradoxically, Russia’s intervention has made politics possible. But the particular kind of politics prefigured by Russia’s intervention is not one in which violence and conflict are discouraged or one in which any meaningful political demands, such as a serious, substantive political transition, may emerge.

The networks of violence have little interest in engaging in a political process that offers no tangible material benefit to them. After five years of conflict, and the development of robust war economies throughout the country, these networks in fact have a larger stake in continuing violence. In the absence of a unified rebel vision and continued infighting and fluidity between networks, there is no reason to believe that a Russian-brokered peace process would help to dissolve the networks.