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And next, Syria?

What, the same way you ignored the fact of many starving people as evidenced by that Twitter feed? And why if there were no starving people did pro regime supporters feel the need to go on Twitter and taunt them with pictures of food? Hypocrite.

Anyway it seems that some food will get to them today

UN aid convoy to enter besieged Syrian town where starving locals are 'eating grass and pets'

Food was sent to them before. The problem was the rebels who control the town, who you insist don't exist, half inched it. And then hoarded it and sold it to the residents at vastly inflated prices . Which is why the residents were protesting against them . And which is why you've now decided to ignore them as they're no longer useful .
 
Food was sent to them before. The problem was the rebels who control the town, who you insist don't exist, half inched it. And then hoarded it and sold it to the residents at vastly inflated prices . Which is why the residents were protesting against them . And which is why you've now decided to ignore them as they're no longer useful .
What is this nonsense? I never said they weren't there just that they were not in full control as borne out by the link I posted where the residents forced the commander to leave his residence after he tried to get the food stocked in warehouses under their control, doesn't sound like they are in charge does it? As for 'useful' I suspect this is more a reflection of the way you think than anything that's going through my head. I am just glad they've gotten food, it should never have come to this in the first place but better late than never.
 

That's a fascinating read that . The aid was being sent in and immediately, yet again, the rebels tried to seize it . The people were so incensed they forced the rebel commander to flee his home and prevented the seizure . Hezbollah then stepped in and told the residents they'd ensure they got the food and would distribute it directly to them and facilitate the exit of anyone who wanted to leave . The pro rebel , self appointed "council "are now up in arms and denouncing this as Hezbollah " luring " people towards them . And demanding they be allowed to keep it in their warehouses .

The only way people can be sure the opposition don't nick the food, again, is to receive it directly from Hezbollah . And the only way besieged citizens can get out of the siege is to talk to the besiegers, who'll help them .

It seems plain to me those people are effectively being held captive by these bums and starved and exploited by them . That's the only explanation for their accusation that people being permitted to leave are being " lured " anywhere . They want to keep them besieged and seizing the food keeps them under control and the " council " retains power over them .

And nice one claiming incessantly the town isn't rebel controlled, and then posting yet another link that explicitly refers to it as a rebel controlled town .
 
Something that most likely won't be reported in western media is the Syrian army's recent capture of the rebel stronghold of Salma . It was a mountain fortress in Latakia they've held for years and was thought to be impregnable . The Syrian forces surrounded it methodically in recent weeks but most analysts thought there'd be a siege that would last months. Instead there was a lightening assault with very efficient artillery and air cover and it fell in the space of 24 hours. With minimal Army casualties.
That's the head choppers pretty much finished in Latakia now. They've absolutely no chance of taking it ever again . The army hold the biggest strategic height in the entire mountain range and now have fire control over the main highway to Jisr shugourour, and with that idlib province. It's all in their sights now . It looks like that Turkish border will end up being sealed over a wide radius.

It's not just a pr victory for them but an mportant strategic one. And the fact it was done with such ease and efficiency and with such few casualties will be a major morale boost .

And one man largely to thank was Erdogan . His idiotic decision to shoot down that plane seems to have concentrated some rather skilful military minds as regards that region he was trying to protect . Really pissed them off .

They're on a serious roll now .
 
Striking image of besieged Deir ez Zor.

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Hundreds of civilians massacred there the other day by IS when they overran a besieged district. Entire families . But Assad supporters so nobody gives a fuck . Much like when the actual civilians of Madaya , as opposed to anonymous online "activists", came out and blamed the rebels for the starvation they endured and voiced support for the government . Immediately became non people .
 
Breaking the Silence Around Sieges

Syria Deeply: So every siege varies in intensity, but in areas like Deir ez-Zor, there is a double siege in place. Could you explain that situation in Deir Ezzor for us?

James Sadri: Deir ez-Zor is an interesting situation because it is besieged not just by ISIS [the Islamic State] on the outside, but also effectively by the regime on the inside. While the U.N. considers Deir ez-Zor as an ISIS siege only, when you speak to residents inside the area, they will tell you that it’s also the regime that is denying them access to life-saving aid and medical supplies. That’s because the regime controls an airport within the siege itself, which it uses several times a day for military flights to resupply its own forces, yet it is denying the UN the ability to use that airport to bring in aid for the civilian population. So the people there are essentially suffering from a double siege, with ISIS on the outside and the regime on the inside.
 
Hundreds of civilians massacred there the other day by IS when they overran a besieged district. Entire families . But Assad supporters so nobody gives a fuck . Much like when the actual civilians of Madaya , as opposed to anonymous online "activists", came out and blamed the rebels for the starvation they endured and voiced support for the government . Immediately became non people .
Good to see you relying on the SOHR now.
 
Heh, yeah. Oh the irony. See post #4803 where apparently the much denigrated 'bloke in a bedroom in Hull' or whatever it is, is now a 'fascinating read', presumably because he thinks he's derived some support for his position from it.

No what was fascinating about it was that you posted something that largely contradicted the position you'd been pushing for days .

The position I took was that the word of anonymous Internet activists who were faking photographs left right and centre wasn't worth a damn . And the accounts of the civilians protesting the rebels seizure of their food totally contradicted that cynical narrative .

Btw rebel supporters are now reduced to claiming the starving civilians who voiced their anger to the media in person were actors hired by the government .
 
Initially I took from the Independent article that there weren't any rebel forces there; it certainly wasn't clear but then reading around particularly from that Syria direct article it appears that there are but they weren't wholly in charge. The SOHR article backs that up, are we clear now?

So you will be providing links for the rest of your claims then?
 
It appears that this report which I originally posted on the Islamic State thread which has IS kidnapping 400 civilians has exaggerated things somewhat according to this report from Syria direct

Reports of mass Islamic State kidnappings 'extremely exaggerated'

After Islamic State fighters captured the regime-controlled neighborhood of al-Baghlia in Deir e-Zor city over the weekend, reports circulated widely in the Arabic and Western news media that they had kidnapped 400 civilians, based on information provided by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR).

“We've denied previously that this is true—it isn't,” Abu Zeid Abdullah, a journalist with the pro-opposition Sound and Picture, tells Syria Direct's Mohammed al-Haj Ali. Abdullah is currently in Idlib province, but remains in contact with his organization's correspondents in Deir e-Zor city.

Twenty families who tried to escape the fighting, numbering around 60 individuals total, were captured by IS and sent to Raqqa city, Abdullah says. “The talk about 400 people is extremely exaggerated.”

Civilians still inside al-Baghlia are living “in the midst of panic,” says Abdullah, not so much from IS retribution as from “the regime's indiscriminate bombing.”...
 
Ta for that - more comments later i expect but just wanted to point out the classic mistranslation of the Australian foreign affairs minister as 'Jolly Bishop'.
 
Originally posted on the Islamic state thread

US 'takes control' of Rmeilan airfield in Syria

Kurds might end up regretting this decision.
They probably aren't in a position to say no.
And a few miles away there are reports of Russian engineers planing to expand the the regime held Qamishli airport.
None of them have any intention of leaving I surmise. Carve-up ahoy?
 
More on the airstrip including satellite pic

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Syria conflict: 'US expanding air strip' in Kurdish north - BBC News

Also speculation probably well-founded that Turkey may not be best pleased with this development.
 
my advice? don't look.

normally i take the view that you should look to bear witness, that the horror, the disgust, the gut-wrenching nausea are the tiny little tombstones you erect to mark the vile, utterly abhorent deaths of people the world will otherwise forget.

but don't look. not this time.
I wish I hadn't. :(
 
...Also speculation probably well-founded that Turkey may not be best pleased with this development.

it looks like Turkey is rapidly approaching the top of Obamas' well-deserved shitlist. given Obamas' new found willingness to just 'do shit', perhaps this may be the start of a significant, and open rupture between Turkey and the rest of NATO...

the YPG are probably wise to partner the US in this way - firstly it means they'll get some significant logistics support, secondly it means that it'll be a location that the US will defend like fuck from the air (ground..?) which will help protect YPG locations in that area, thirdly it will make it more likely that the US will swing behind them in the inevitable peace process/carve up, and most cynically, accepting such a partnership denies it to their rivals/allies/enemies...
 
it looks like Turkey is rapidly approaching the top of Obamas' well-deserved shitlist. given Obamas' new found willingness to just 'do shit', perhaps this may be the start of a significant, and open rupture between Turkey and the rest of NATO...

the YPG are probably wise to partner the US in this way - firstly it means they'll get some significant logistics support, secondly it means that it'll be a location that the US will defend like fuck from the air (ground..?) which will help protect YPG locations in that area, thirdly it will make it more likely that the US will swing behind them in the inevitable peace process/carve up, and most cynically, accepting such a partnership denies it to their rivals/allies/enemies...

It is starting to look to me a bit like a repeat of the KRG in Iraq. It isn't really surprising that the YPG/SDF are happy to acquiesce to this. After their success in 2015 it's difficult to remember just how bad things had gotten in 2014 when it looked like Daesh, with Erdogan's help, would win the siege of Kobane and murder every male there and kill, torture, rape and enslave the Kurdish women and children. Then there was also the ever present threat of a Turkish occupation. Becoming the muscle in an American-supported buffer zone must be a very appealing prospect to peoples who have faced existential threats to their security.
 
Also re: Turkish-American relations

Vice President Biden chides Turkey over freedom of expression

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said on Friday that Turkey, once vaunted by Washington as a model of Islamic democracy, was setting a poor example for the region in intimidating media, curtailing internet freedom and accusing academics of treason.

On a two-day visit to the NATO ally, part of the U.S.-led alliance against Islamic State in neighbouring Syria and Iraq, Biden said the strength of Turkey's democracy had a direct impact on its ties with the United States.

Turkey is a vital partner for both Washington and Europe in efforts to combat Islamic State, end Syria's civil war, and curb the flow of migrants and refugees. Opponents of the government have accused the West in the past of pulling its punches over the country's human rights record as a result.

"The more Turkey succeeds, the stronger the message sent to the entire Middle East and parts of the world who are only beginning to grapple with the notion of freedom," Biden said, flanked by members of Turkish civil society groups.

"But when the media are intimidated or imprisoned for critical reporting, when internet freedom is curtailed and social media sites...are shut down and more than 1,000 academics are accused of treason simply by signing a petition, that’s not the kind of example that needs to be set," he told reporters.
 
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