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How ludicrous is was this case? And what a fucked up family.
Dad who confiscated daughter's iPhone acquitted on theft charge
American father locked up for confiscating 12 year daughter's phone as punishment
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Gromit
International Man of Misery
I just watched Dinosaur 13 which shows an example of the authorities going after a number of people for just pure spite. Guy got 2 years for forgetting to fill out a couple of forms.
I'm not saying our legal system is perfect but it seems less abused by spiteful people than the US system.
Yeah he won but three years of stress because of police spite. Outrage that he didn't roll over and accept their bullying shit.
I'm not saying our legal system is perfect but it seems less abused by spiteful people than the US system.
Yeah he won but three years of stress because of police spite. Outrage that he didn't roll over and accept their bullying shit.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Not having sole custody of the daughter, phone paid for by mother, Didn't return it when asked. Now has no relationship with daughter great going there Dad. Why is he reading his daughters text messages anyway?
What a woeful mess - that 2 adults are so unable to put personal animosity aside and deal intelligently (and moderately) with this most ubiquitous of modern dilemmas. A horrible reflection on power - uses and abuses of...and children caught in the crossfire.
Um, I admit - my children missed the mobile phone stuff - all too long ago...but you can bet your life, Dylan, I would be there, doing my maternal duty, snooping and spying. It wasn't really an issue 30 or so years ago, but in the age of constant access everywhere, texting, sexting and grooming, I would feel it remiss not to keep any 12 year old on a long, but well gripped lead.
Um, I admit - my children missed the mobile phone stuff - all too long ago...but you can bet your life, Dylan, I would be there, doing my maternal duty, snooping and spying. It wasn't really an issue 30 or so years ago, but in the age of constant access everywhere, texting, sexting and grooming, I would feel it remiss not to keep any 12 year old on a long, but well gripped lead.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Is this going to be one of those where the actual story turns out to be something totally different?
This guy from that article sounds more worrying tbf
problem is that US law enforcement is so fragmented, in some states/counties they'll have some decent law enforcement in others its Sheriff Billy Bob and his buddies and they're married to/related to the people on the local council and good pals with the local prosecutor and Judges, who incidentally are all elected and can all take donations from local businessmen etc.. - if you're an outsider to their county/state you're screwed
civil asset forfeiture laws are pretty scary - there was a case where one yokel Sheriff found an excuse to stop and seize every expensive out of state car that drove through his county and there are other areas where rival law enforcement units essentially compete with each other to stop any cars with out of state licenses in order to look for and seize any cash - it is absolutely crazy
the process of donating to and electing judges and prosecutors seems so dodgy too - I remember reading about one Las Vegas strip club owner, mob connected, who regularly had customers beaten up in his establishment. He was on the blacklist of the gambling authority but still allowed an alcohol license... (he'd donated to several councilmen) - he even have a few murders and attempted murders linked directly to his club, paramedics called to pick up people in the car park etc.. yet managed to get off (and so happened to make large donations to the judges and prosecutors involved). The local Mayor was his attorney at one point even...
while we no doubt have corrupt police over here the fragmented system in the US where law enforcement is very local and people in authority are elected and open to donations just provides for even more of it
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wobbly
Not having sole custody of the daughter, phone paid for by mother, Didn't return it when asked. Now has no relationship with daughter great going there Dad. Why is he reading his daughters text messages anyway?
he won't have any more to do with his child. not that she dosen't want to see him, he won't see her. that's his call as an adult, as a parent to escalate this into refusing to see his own child
or there was a reason why the mother was so concerned to make sure the daughter had a means of contacting her. the level to which the father has gone in refusing to return the phone years later and voluntarily breaking off contact with his child over this might indicate why the mother raised her concerns with the police. we can see now that he's a blithering bloody idiot who is prepared to turn this issue into loosing his kid. I strongly suspect the mother wanted the daughter to have access to a phone because she knew what kind of idiot he was.
Well it appears that there are evasions on both sides - mother claiming she owed and paid for bills, yet apparently the bills were in the name of the father (on 'his plan'). And to refuse to have anything more to do with a child - what sort of horrible petulant person does that? Ghastly bunch.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
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wobbly
no idea if this applies in this case, but whose name in on the bills does not necessarily indicate who paid for the equipment and who covers the bills.
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wobbly
this will be why mine have payg phones.
but more seriously, we do not have enough info to have any idea whether this was dodgyness on behalf of one party, or the other or both or neither. all i can say is that letting a dispute over a phone turn into refusing contact with your own kid rings alarm bells for me.
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hiraethified
Because she was a child and he has a duty of care?Why is he reading his daughters text messages anyway?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Which is, as any logician could tell you, the same as an obligation to pry into said child's private correspondance.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Here's a tip parents: raise your kids to have some sense and to be honest, demonstrate by your actions that you are worthy of their trust and respect, and then you won't need to spy on them to keep them safe or whatever bullshit excuse you have for doing it.
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reading a child's correspondance being right or wrong is something entirely down to motivation and circumstances. my lass is 12 and she has her own phone, email and social media accounts on the proviso that I know the passwords. I would check if I had serious enough concerns to do so, for example about her health or safety and could get information in no other way.
but i would also consider that situation as a problem that needed fixing. that i needed to do better as a parent to have let things get that far.
you do have an obligation to check what your kid is up to. including reading their 'private' correspondence.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
i know i sound like a right bitter old bastard, but i am pretty sure we are the lucky ones who had childhoods empty of social media, didn't have that constant nag to check things. it would depress me massively if my kids end up valuing facebook et al more than books, or just playing. i sometimes feel bad for limiting the time my kids go on the tablet or my phone, but i honestly think the gaps in between are what they will remember more when they are adults.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
so what age do parents here recon is appropriate for the kid to have some privacy on the comms front? or is that going to vary massively with the mental maturity of the child? I know facebook straight out says no under 13s.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
My lad ran out of credit on his phone when we were in Italy and used my phone to have a text conversation with his girlfriend. He left it on my phone though and I accidentally read a bit of it a month or so later. It made me blush tbh, so I deleted it post-haste.Why is he reading his daughters text messages anyway?
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i think it depends on the kid. i don't think my aspie lad would be more social if he spent less time on his computer, i just think he would be more isolated and miserable about that.
i think it depends on the kid.
told son i no longer felt a need to check stuff when he was 16 or so. cause he hadn't ever given me any reason to be concerned including the time when he told me about a skype chat with some freinds when they tried to disprove rule 34 - that led only to a convo about using private windows so his sisters wouldn't be confronted with his search history. him talking about that told me that he could talk about stuff with me which removed a lot of potential concerns. but i did embarass him by digging out the video of the difference between real sex and porn sex with the fruit in it.
more of an afterthought really, triggered by setting up middle lass with the same deal. cause we hadnt really discussed me having access in a couple of years. oh, under that deal, both were 11 when they set up fb.
i'll let you know in a few years about my lass.
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I dunno. I remember the outrage I felt when at 15, a friend's mum read her diary and found out we were smoking pot and dobbed us all in to our respective parents: from the other side, I think I'd want to know if my own kid was smoking pot (although I'd deal with the knowledge differently...)
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I suppose asking them is out of the question?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
These are all the same parents who post up pictures of their kids on facebook from the instant they're born no doubt.
Of course you should, ideally. But not necessarily.
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wobbly
sometimes real life stuff with kids is more complicated.
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