Alex Jones - Two Stops Past Barking?

[story]

Yeah, that podcast edcraw posted said much the same thing. That they wanted the chance to respond to his lies in a public forum, where they and their stories could be heard and witnessed.

The right to reply is as important as the right to free speech. It’s basically the same thing. One of the problems here is that AJ has bullied his way to a huge audience and a powerful platform, and anyone trying to get into any kind of dialogue with him is silenced by his position and relative power. Which then abrogates everyone else’s freedom to speak.

It also said made a similar point to mine : that truth is one of the bedrocks that supports our shared reality and should therefore be defended.

The Sandy Hook lies led to, fed into and strengthened other lies like Pizzagate, the Q.Anon stuff, the stolen election shit and the Jan 6 thing at The Capitol. Before AJ, those kinds of lies were fringe and stayed fringe. Because a loud strong voice started repeating them - for cash profit, not out of any kind of search for truth - they took on impetus and momentum. This shit has harmed us all, in large and small ways.

Also, apparently he did try to frame it as a free speech issue but that was shut down.


AJ wasn’t going for any kind of principle, he wanted the cash.
The parents weren't looking for money, they were going after the principle of the thing. Does the principle of free speech outweigh the principle of upholding the truth?

 

[Cid]

Good luck getting paid. The Goldman family only managed to pry $138,000 out of OJ. I'm sure Jones has lawyers on staff who can hide his money at least as well. If they shuffle it all off to off-shore accounts, as seems likely, tracking it down could prove difficult.

OJ had excellent lawyers, presumably agents and management etc. Evidence we have so far is that Jones' organisation is... not well run. At least going by the standard of his legal representation, and of Infowars' corporate representatives. The lawyers for the plaintiffs in this case seem excellent by most accounts, and they're going to be working alongside the lawyers for the other parents. I'm sure there'll be plenty of attempts by his associates to hide shit, and much of this will probably take years, but I don't think we can infer too much from comparison to OJ.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

OJ had excellent lawyers, presumably agents and management etc. Evidence we have so far is that Jones' organisation is... not well run. At least going by the standard of his legal representation, and of Inforwars' corporate representatives. The lawyers for the plaintiffs in this case seem excellent by most accounts, and they're going to be working alongside the lawyers for the other parents. I'm sure there'll be plenty of attempts by his associates to hide shit, and much of this will probably take years, but I don't think we can infer too much from comparison to OJ.

I hope you're right.

 

[elbows]

Yeah judging by the standards of his legal representation, they will end up sending the victims all of Jones money by mistake.

 

[two sheds]

NO I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT SEND IT BACK

 

[Flavour]

You want me to me to just go back to knobbing & sobbing and suburban?

Let the place change without the the sly nudges.
Regardless of the winky face this is the kind of shit makes folks like me back away.

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I hope you continue posting in here because I value your contributions.

My take on this subject, for what it's worth: Alex Jones will go further into his rabbit hole and the whole trial is evidence of an ever deeper state conspiracy against him personally; he is, after all, a megalomaniac.

 

[8ball]

If he fucks about with paying up, is he likely to go to prison?

 

[Ming]

If he fucks about with paying up, is he likely to go to prison?

Without a Google i seem to remember some parts of his organisation are declaring bankruptcy and large swathes of it are shell companies. So he’s trying to protect his ill gotten gains. I’m pretty sure if the legal defences are defeated he’ll get time if he point blank refuses to pay i would have thought.

 

[8ball]

Without a Google i seem to remember some parts of his organisation are declaring bankruptcy and large swathes of it are shell companies. So he’s trying to protect his ill gotten gains. I’m pretty sure if the legal defences are defeated he’ll get time if he point blank refuses to pay i would have thought.

This kind of obfuscation and moving shit around would be a big black mark against him if I had anything to do with recovering the funds.
A massive rate of interest on any unnecessary delays once the funds are found might help to disincentivise any nonsense.

 

[NoXion]

Abolish LLCs.

 

[petee]

of course!

archive.ph

Sandy Hook victims’ families asked a federal bankruptcy court on Thursday to order the Infowars conspiracy broadcaster Alex Jones to relinquish control over his company, saying he has “systematically transferred millions of dollars” to himself and his relatives while claiming to be broke.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Abolish LLCs.

They have their uses, but I'd like to see them go back to what they originally were in the US. You could charter a corporation for only 3 years at a time. Then, it had to be reviewed to consider if it was in the public interest to renew it. An LLC being the equivalent of an immortal human with more rights under the law than real persons, just doesn't work for the benefit of society. A revision of the rules governing them wouldn't be out of order after some of the abuses we've seen.

 

[gosub]

"It's a conspiracy, damn it! Why does nobody believe me?"

You should his estimated delivery dates of his crap back in the early Covid days when he was talking about eating his neighbours

 

[8ball]

They have their uses, but I'd like to see them go back to what they originally were in the US. You could charter a corporation for only 3 years at a time. Then, it had to be reviewed to consider if it was in the public interest to renew it. An LLC being the equivalent of an immortal human with more rights under the law than real persons, just doesn't work for the benefit of society. A revision of the rules governing them wouldn't be out of order after some of the abuses we've seen.

Yeah, wasn’t it a means of people coming together and pooling resources to achieve a specific goal like, say, building a bridge, with the full intention of dissolving it when done?

(Dissolving the corporation, not the bridge. That would be strange even in America.)

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Yeah, wasn’t it a means of people coming together and pooling resources to achieve a specific goal like, say, building a bridge, with the full intention of dissolving it when done?

(Dissolving the corporation, not the bridge. That would be strange even in America.)

Yes, for the most part. The founding fathers were well aware of the East India Company and the Massachusetts Bay Company and their actions.

The provable reality is that the Founding Fathers did not think very much of corporations or, for that matter, any of the organized moneyed interests that played so large a role in their decision to revolt against Mother England. To understand this, it is important to understand the nature of corporations during the days when the United States was founded.

The modern corporation dates back to the early 17th century when Queen Elizabeth I granted a charter to create the East India Trading Company. During that time, corporations were small, quasi-government institutions approved by the crown for a specific purpose.

Does that sound like a person to you?

Not unlike today, the idea behind these organizations was to bring together investors interested in financing large projects, such as land exploration. Indeed, many American colonies were originally governed by corporations— such as the Massachusetts Bay Company.

We all know how well that went over with the Founding Fathers.

Recognizing the threat corporations could pose to government, the English monarchs kept a close eye on these organizations and did not hesitate to revoke charters if they didn’t like the way things were going. However, as the money piled up in these companies, they began to take on increased political power and influence .

Which brings us back to The East India Company, the dominant corporation of that era.

Thom Hartman writes in his book, Unequal Protection,

“Trade-dominance by the East India Company aroused the greatest passions of America’s Founders - every schoolboy knows how they dumped the Company’s tea into Boston Harbor. At the time in Britain virtually all members of parliament were stockholders, a tenth had made their fortunes through the Company, and the Company funded parliamentary elections generously.”

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[Yossarian]

Some weird old man in an "Infowars" T-shirt with a list of "fake news" organisations tried to strike up a conversation with me in the supermarket yesterday, I blanked him so hard he might have thought he'd entered ghosthood.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Some weird old man in an "Infowars" T-shirt with a list of "fake news" organisations tried to strike up a conversation with me in the supermarket yesterday, I blanked him so hard he might have thought he'd entered ghosthood.

Forgotten your glasses?

 

[8ball]

Some weird old man in an "Infowars" T-shirt with a list of "fake news" organisations tried to strike up a conversation with me in the supermarket yesterday, I blanked him so hard he might have thought he'd entered ghosthood.

Had he calculated yesterday as the exact time the Queen would shed her skinsuit?

 

[petee]

he never gives up

Connecticut Judge Sanctions Alex Jones for 'Egregious' and 'Stunningly Cavalier' Failure to Turn Over Discovery to Sandy Hook Families

A Connecticut judge sanctioned Alex Jones for his "egregious" and "stunningly cavalier" failure to turn over Google Analytics to the plaintiffs before trial.

lawandcrime.com

In three separate cases, Jones was punished with default judgments for refusing to turn over information to the families. Those default judgments meant that Jones lost all three lawsuits before trial began, and the only issue left to resolve in the cases was a dollar figure for the juries to award the families in damages.

 

[NoXion]

I think he has a genuine mental compulsion to do this kinda stuff. It's like he cannot help himself at all. Hopefully this will lead to the complete downfall of his shit-encrusted media operation.

 

[petee]

"Alex Jones is back at it again in a new tell-all interview with Steven Crowder where he claims that the judge from his July Sandy Hook trial was an operative for George Soros"

Alex Jones Rants that Judge in Sandy Hook Case is George Soros Operative Because of Her ‘Purple, Blue’ Hair

Alex Jones is back in a tell-all interview with Steven Crowder where he claims that the judge from his July Sandy Hook trial was an operative for George Soros.

www.mediaite.com

"she’s got purple blue hair and has all these Soros-funded PACs on the site"

 

[editor]

"Alex Jones is back at it again in a new tell-all interview with Steven Crowder where he claims that the judge from his July Sandy Hook trial was an operative for George Soros"

Alex Jones Rants that Judge in Sandy Hook Case is George Soros Operative Because of Her ‘Purple, Blue’ Hair

Alex Jones is back in a tell-all interview with Steven Crowder where he claims that the judge from his July Sandy Hook trial was an operative for George Soros.

www.mediaite.com

"she’s got purple blue hair and has all these Soros-funded PACs on the site"

The quicker this cunt gets fined into oblivion the better.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

"Alex Jones is back at it again in a new tell-all interview with Steven Crowder where he claims that the judge from his July Sandy Hook trial was an operative for George Soros"

Alex Jones Rants that Judge in Sandy Hook Case is George Soros Operative Because of Her ‘Purple, Blue’ Hair

Alex Jones is back in a tell-all interview with Steven Crowder where he claims that the judge from his July Sandy Hook trial was an operative for George Soros.

www.mediaite.com

"she’s got purple blue hair and has all these Soros-funded PACs on the site"

So basically, he's aiming his crazy (and sometimes violent) fanbase at this judge for doing her job. That's not going to end well for someone. I hope its Alex Jones.

 

[Chilli.s]

Its like he wants to go to jail

 

[two sheds]

Do they have Contempt of Court in the US?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Do they have Contempt of Court in the US?

Yep, but I think this is more serious than that. Jones has already motivated his followers to act violently. I think this is on the order of threatening a judge.

 

[8ball]

"Alex Jones is back at it again in a new tell-all interview with Steven Crowder where he claims that the judge from his July Sandy Hook trial was an operative for George Soros"

Alex Jones Rants that Judge in Sandy Hook Case is George Soros Operative Because of Her ‘Purple, Blue’ Hair

Alex Jones is back in a tell-all interview with Steven Crowder where he claims that the judge from his July Sandy Hook trial was an operative for George Soros.

www.mediaite.com

"she’s got purple blue hair and has all these Soros-funded PACs on the site"

Jones and Crowder - that’s a properly batshit double act for sure.

 

[Karl Masks]

Jones and Crowder - that’s a properly batshit double act for sure.

It's an invitation for a bombing

 

[8ball]

It's an invitation for a bombing

Which would count as performance art, I’m sure, making the explosives tax-deductible.

 

[Karl Masks]

Which would count as performance art, I’m sure, making the explosives tax-deductible.

I'd be happy to call the violent deaths of Steven Crowder and Alex Jones art. I find both of them utterly contemptible and would delight to the point of orgasm in their demise.