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Afghanistan: Mission Accomplished

Weird willingness by some to believe Taliban PR emerging. Kind of credulity showing that explains how we joined the invasion in the first place.
The mask slipped briefly during the call to the BBC when the Taliban spokesman was asked for a second time whether Afghans were free to leave the country. He blurted out “that’s why I’m speaking to you now, we don’t want people to leave“.

Seems all of this reassuring Taliban-lite PR campaign is to prevent an exodus before they establish tight control of the country.
 
Listening to Paul Rogers being interviewed today on Novara.

Writes for Open Democracy. He thinks Taliban will come to agreement with China. China potentially could help the Taliban government economically. China could use Afghanistan as a trade route.

There has already been meeting with Taliban and China at China inviatation.

A working partnership would require Taliban not to support Uyghurs.

Rogers is pessimistic on outcome for human rights in the region

Afghanistan’s future path to be determined by a corridor of power

This article was written before Taliban takeover.
The Taliban could benefit hugely from Chinese investment in the Afghan economy, and while the advantage may seem to lie with China, an important Taliban quid pro quo would be restraining the Uyghur paramilitaries of Xinjiang Province who are currently fighting for them. This requirement for China formed part of the recent talks in Tianjin.

The Chinese state and its leaders would clearly benefit, as would the Taliban, but human rights on both sides would suffer. For the Uyghurs, their subservience to the demands of the Chinese state would be unabated and for huge numbers of Afghanis, especially women, rigid Taliban rule would become more secure and long-term.
The West is out of the picture now.

To add more up to date article by him.


So he is saying if the Taliban can quickly get agreements with China then it could entrench its regime.
 
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Weird willingness by some to believe Taliban PR emerging. Kind of credulity showing that explains how we joined the invasion in the first place.

Yes, all these sudden reassurances from the new moderate Taliban-lite.

Oh please, do me a favour.

These are people who are not be trusted under any circumstances. A leopard never changes it's spots.
 
The mask slipped briefly during the call to the BBC when the Taliban spokesman was asked for a second time whether Afghans were free to leave the country. He blurted out “that’s why I’m speaking to you now, we don’t want people to leave“.

Seems all of this reassuring Taliban-lite PR campaign is to prevent an exodus before they establish tight control of the country.
Tbh that's rather equivocal.
 
Can’t say I’m massively comfortable with the narrative of ‘won’t someone think of the ngo workers/university students/brave journalists/human rights campaigners’. Like these are ‘OK’ human beings and everybody else can fucking die in the fire.
Thinking about this again, maybe the Afghan people are pursuing a ‘B’ Ark strategy, and once all the ngo and politico types have evacuated they‘ll take off the fake beards and go on with life (before dying of a virus contracted from dirty telephones)
 
According to an American geological survey there could be over a trillion dollars worth of minerals in the north of Afghanistan.

Russia and China have been in contact with the Taliban and have said that provided they don't allow Afghanistan to become a base for Islamic terrorism they will recognise the Taliban government and invest.

Russia and China don't give a monkey's how the Taliban treat Afghan women just as the West doesn't give a monkey's about Saudi Arabia's human rights abuses. They are totally realist and amoral and just want a stable government they can do business with.

 
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Listening to Paul Rogers being interviewed today on Novara.

Writes for Open Democracy. He thinks Taliban will come to agreement with China. China potentially could help the Taliban government economically. China could use Afghanistan as a trade route.

There has already been meeting with Taliban and China at China inviatation.

A working partnership would require Taliban not to support Uyghurs.

Rogers is pessimistic on outcome for human rights in the region

Afghanistan’s future path to be determined by a corridor of power

This article was written before Taliban takeover.

The West is out of the picture now.

To add more up to date article by him.


So he is saying if the Taliban can quickly get agreements with China then it could entrench its regime.

I reckon the withdrawal from Afghanistan is part of the US strategy to contain China.

US is shifting its focus from the Middle East and Central Asia to East Asia.

A major part of this is "the Quad", a kind of proto-Asian NATO of Australia, the US, India and Japan.

However, being in Afghanistan means that the US is somewhat dependent on Pakistan for airspace and sea access. Pulling out of Afghanistan allows the US to ditch Pakistan entirely and build much closer military cooperation with India, which Pakistan would otherwise object to.

Additionally, the Pakistani Taliban and other Jihadist groups have carried out attacks on Chinese targets in Pakistan. The calculation that I think the US have made is that pulling out of Afghanistan is a bigger problem for China and Russia than it is for the US. If the security situation in Afghanistan deteriorates, then this impacts on Chinese interests in Pakistan, and also on Russia's near abroad.

Also worth highlighting that Pakistan is very important to China. China is not self sufficient for energy or food, and they are afraid that an attempted invasion of Taiwan could result in a naval blockade through the South China Sea. This is what the One Belt One Road efforts to build infrastructure through Central Asia is about. China's geopolitical calculation is that they could split the US from Europe, and in the event of a naval blockade they could replace the US market and bypass the blockade with access to Europe and Africa overland. Pakistan is particularly important to China because it provides ocean access through the west of China. The crackdown in Xinjiang is kind of motivated by securing this alternative sea route.

The US pulling out of Afghanistan is, I think, intended to destabilise the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, shift the focus from Islamic radicalism from the US to China and Russia, force China to spread their military thinly by requiring them to secure their interests in Pakistan, and also potentially cause friction between China and Russia by drawing China deeper into Russia's near abroad.

China seems to be responding to this by courting the Taliban. The question is whether Afghanistan under Taliban rule will turn out to be a stable client state of China, in which case the US have miscalculated and been outmanouvered; or whether Afghanistan under the Taliban will prove to be a radical and destabilising force for the region, being a source of instability leaking into Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc, causing a headache for China and Russia and nurturing conflict between them, while the US focuses on building an East Asian version of NATO centred on Japan, India and Australia.
 
I reckon the withdrawal from Afghanistan is part of the US strategy to contain China.

US is shifting its focus from the Middle East and Central Asia to East Asia.

A major part of this is "the Quad", a kind of proto-Asian NATO of Australia, the US, India and Japan.

However, being in Afghanistan means that the US is somewhat dependent on Pakistan for airspace and sea access. Pulling out of Afghanistan allows the US to ditch Pakistan entirely and build much closer military cooperation with India, which Pakistan would otherwise object to.

Additionally, the Pakistani Taliban and other Jihadist groups have carried out attacks on Chinese targets in Pakistan. The calculation that I think the US have made is that pulling out of Afghanistan is a bigger problem for China and Russia than it is for the US. If the security situation in Afghanistan deteriorates, then this impacts on Chinese interests in Pakistan, and also on Russia's near abroad.

Also worth highlighting that Pakistan is very important to China. China is not self sufficient for energy or food, and they are afraid that an attempted invasion of Taiwan could result in a naval blockade through the South China Sea. This is what the One Belt One Road efforts to build infrastructure through Central Asia is about. China's geopolitical calculation is that they could split the US from Europe, and in the event of a naval blockade they could replace the US market and bypass the blockade with access to Europe and Africa overland. Pakistan is particularly important to China because it provides ocean access through the west of China. The crackdown in Xinjiang is kind of motivated by securing this alternative sea route.

The US pulling out of Afghanistan is, I think, intended to destabilise the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, shift the focus from Islamic radicalism from the US to China and Russia, force China to spread their military thinly by requiring them to secure their interests in Pakistan, and also potentially cause friction between China and Russia by drawing China deeper into Russia's near abroad.

China seems to be responding to this by courting the Taliban. The question is whether Afghanistan under Taliban rule will turn out to be a stable client state of China, in which case the US have miscalculated and been outmanouvered; or whether Afghanistan under the Taliban will prove to be a radical and destabilising force for the region, being a source of instability leaking into Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc, causing a headache for China and Russia and nurturing conflict between them, while the US focuses on building an East Asian version of NATO centred on Japan, India and Australia.
At the start of kilcullen's book out of the mountains he tells the story of an ambush in Afghanistan which occurred because of a local grievance. I think that any Chinese efforts to run a railway or road or pipeline through Afghanistan without placating the people the infrastructure goes through will end in tears. That problems the Americans and British faced will bite the Chinese too.

I tend toward the idea that Afghanistan likely to destabilise the region, unless the Taliban have learnt something of statecraft in the last 20 years, and regardless of relations between the Chinese and the Taliban now I think they'll deteriorate.
 
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Makes reporting an issue too, loads of pics going around of those who tried to get on the planes, or individuals who are/were involved in women's rights. Every one puts people at risk and doubt most hacks are even considering that.

E2a: Even before the Taliban came back I knew people who would never use social media or the like, beyond the Taliban someone who makes it to the West is always running a risk for themselves and their families by standing out too much.
 
Apparently there might be a resurrection of the Northern Alliance. 'Northern Alliance' flag hoisted in Panjshir in first resistance against Taliban Anyone know if this is for real?
Well according to that ever reliable media source, Wikipedia, Northern Alliamce was reinstated as of yesterday (16th Aug).
I'll get the link:

Whether it'll come anything, reasons to be seen. Bit it wouldn't stick with Western media's current 'No one saw this coming' narrative.
 


Northern Alliance raising the flag and now this, civil war starts in earnest, although no idea if this guy actually carries any weight at all. For all the talk of China being willing to deal with the Taliban they'll no doubt know how precarious they are as allies. Potential for chaos is the reason no one else has properly tried to get at all those resources in Afghanistan, you can have a government give you access but different thing completely to build the infrastructure and maintain it when locals don't want you to.
 
Well according to that ever reliable media source, Wikipedia, Northern Alliamce was reinstated as of yesterday (16th Aug).
I'll get the link:

Whether it'll come anything, reasons to be seen. Bit it wouldn't stick with Western media's current 'No one saw this coming' narrative.

Massoud is son of leader of the those who fought against the Soviet army and then the Taliban. His father was assassinated by Taliban.

If the reports are accurate the Panjshir valley was difficult for even the Soviet army to take. Taliban never fully succeeded either in first time they took power.

It is mountainous and defendable by guerrilla warfare

Which Massoud the father became expert at
 
Last post - seeing reports of heavy fighting against the Taliban on Twitter. No idea of the veracity but worth watching for news.

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