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equationgirl said:
So it would seem, scifisam.

As my mother said to me frequently, we all have to do things we don't want to do.

This guy is contractually obliged to wear orange overalls for his safety, and that of others, so basically, he has to.

If he doesn't like it, he should reconsider his employment with the company.

I was trying to see if this guy had any kind of valid reason for not wearing them but I guess there isn't, really.
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You type far too much. :)
 
Seems a bit odd.

Interview and induction - high risk industry highlighted & requirement to wear PPC. Possibly also explained in staff handbook and/or contract.

At some point into employment 'well, I'm not going to fucking wear these any more you c*nt' = warning #1

Some time a bit further down the line 'I'm not going to fucking wear these anymore you c*nt' = warning #2

Most recently 'I'm not going to fucking wear these any more you c*nt', 'why not?' 'Because I fucking don't like orange of course!*

Very odd.
 
1927 said:
The underlying issue is an employee who refuses to wear orange overalls in an environment-construction and quarry work- where orange overalls are a prerequisite for health and safety reasons!
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tha'ts a yes isn't it.

so what you are really saying is the employ is getting bullyed at work to the point where asking them to wear an item or face the sack pushes them to the point where they flip out and become agressive.

Otherwise you'd just say yes or no ...

are you the one doing the pushing...

why do you want them sacked?
 
1927 said:
They are orange because that is the colour adopted historically for work in quarries. It is a uniform in effect as well as the overalls have the name of the company on. It is so that the employees look more professional, as oppossed to other companies in the sector whose workers just wear any old thing and often have no PPE.

Yellow is not an option, firstly the shops selling safetywear do not sell a yellow range and secondly it isnt the uniform colour.

You are having a laff about the ginger hair thing surely!
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Hmmm...

post 38 - its 'health and safety'

post 55 - 'legal requirement'

But here you say its just 'historic' - a 'uniform' - something to make your workers 'more professional'. Also, you make it clear that workers for other firms just wear 'any old thing'. That suggests it isn't a legal requirement.

And are you suggesting you really can't buy other coloured overalls? :eek:
 
1927 said:
Because he was asked to wear overalls provided. He has continually refused to wear them because he doesnt like the colour. They are orange, its a health and safety issue!
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If he refuses to work when you've provided the right equipment then it's fair game that the disciplinary procedure will take its course. No union rep in their right mind would represent someone on the basis that they're being awkward or fussy. is he the only one of many disagreeing though... more info needed.

soulman said:
Have you asked him what colour overalls he would prefer. Probably not you management twat!
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Yeah, run along you faux left winger.
 
1927 said:
If an employee called a manager an effing cunt, and an effing arsehole, raised his hands to the manager and became agressive as well as abusive,because the manager asked the employee to comply with a simple request, for which he had had two previous warnings do you think it would be unreasonable for the manager to issue a further warning or dismiss employee. Discuss.
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Sack the little prick, take pleasure in doing so, and take even more pleasure in the inevitable outrage that comes from twats here.

Even better, sack him on video and stick it on Youtube so we can all have a laugh.

You know you want to!
 
1927 said:
If an employee called a manager an effing cunt, and an effing arsehole, raised his hands to the manager and became agressive as well as abusive,because the manager asked the employee to comply with a simple request, for which he had had two previous warnings do you think it would be unreasonable for the manager to issue a further warning or dismiss employee. Discuss.
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I was working on QA inspection for Atco in Stowmarket Suffolk and witnessed an employee being bullied on the production line. Other members of staff were sending him text messages and throwing nuts and bolts and other items of lawn mowers at him. Over a number of days he complained that he wanted to be moved and eventually three line managers had a informal meeting when he had gone home. In which they called him every name you can imagine. The next morning a women line manager came to tell him he was being moved. She shouted and screamed at him and told him to "fuck off up onto her production line" she waved her hands around in anger and the poor employee was obviously shocked . At which point I had seen enough I complained to my line manager this was unacceptable at which point I was threatened with physical violence. I then went to the supervisor and complained and refused to be moved with the result that the production line came to a snails pace. The original bully boys and my line manager stopped working!!! Eventually I was moved and harassed by the rest of the line managers and finally forced to leave. The final outcome was that the line manager was demoted. This was the company in question.

http://www.atco.co.uk/
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
tha'ts a yes isn't it.

so what you are really saying is the employ is getting bullyed at work to the point where asking them to wear an item or face the sack pushes them to the point where they flip out and become agressive.

Otherwise you'd just say yes or no ...

are you the one doing the pushing...

why do you want them sacked?
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How is he being bullied?
 
I've come to this thread late, and am too lazy to read the whole thing.

I have, however, been in the position to investigate this type situation. What I did was suspend both parties pending the outcome of the investigation which was conducted within one day. The outcome was that the employee was fired, gross misconduct due to language, and threatening behaviour. The manager was 'retrained' and given a formal warning about his behaviour for provoking the situation. It was felt that the actual reaction was disproportionate and the threat of violence was unaceptable. The manager only got wawy with it because it was shown that his request was not unreasonable, but that it was important that he became more 'people oriented'.
 
Balbi said:
But you're famous for the orange and black stripes combo! :confused:
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Orange and brown
Orange all over is a crime in many ways - makes you look like you're either on death row in the US or about to get your head sawn off. And it clashes with ginger hair.
 
Managers can be bullies themselves and can treat people unfairly. If someone reacts to that then I don't have a problem with it. Usually there's more to the story and management has the benefit of the appearance of being the victim. Of course every so often its the employee alone who's got the problems.
 
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