Abusive. aggressive employee

[Wolveryeti]

If I was the boss I'd sack them on the spot. Intimations of physical violence, swearing at me in front of the whole office You must be out of your mind, son.

There are plenty of constructive avenues through which to express dissatisfaction. The above do not qualify. It's the workplace, not fucking nursery school.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

It's the workplace, not fucking nursery school.

In my experience it's adults who behave like that, not toddlers.

 

[Citizen66]

I've been provoked in the most appalling ways by plenty of 'managers' in the past but have never given them the satisfaction of getting the better of me. I have come across plenty of irrational bullies and the vast majority have been colleagues, but not all. I have always kept my temper and survived.

A 'manager' effed and blinded at me in front of a room full of people once but I decided to take it no further. I had subtly wound him up however and it was just funny to watch more than anything else, I wouldn't have wanted him to lose his job over a bit of comedy

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

Quite possibly but threatening abusive behaviour will not necessarily hekp you in that situation.

I quite agree... Im interested though

 

[Treacle Toes]

I quite agree... Im interested though

Me too, so I've asked this....

1927:
Please qualify WHAT the simple request was.... and HOW that request relates to the 'employee's' contract/job description.

 

[Firky]

Would it not be better to ask yourself why this person called you a cunt and wanted to batter you, 1927?

 

[dylanredefined]

Depends on the work place surely ? and time and place but pretty sure outside of a pretty stressful enviorment its out the door.

 

[1927]

Would it not be better to ask yourself why this person called you a cunt and wanted to batter you, 1927?

Because he was asked to wear overalls provided. He has continually refused to wear them because he doesnt like the colour. They are orange, its a health and safety issue!

 

[scifisam]

Because he was asked to wear overalls provided. He has continually refused to wear them because he doesnt like the colour. They are orange, its a health and safety issue!

Sounds as though he might be a health and safety issue himself, then.

Someone else mentioned possible health issues causing violent behaviour; it's fair to check them out before dismissing him, but it's also fair (to everyone else) to at least suspend him for now.

 

[soulman]

Because he was asked to wear overalls provided. He has continually refused to wear them because he doesnt like the colour. They are orange, its a health and safety issue!

Have you asked him what colour overalls he would prefer. Probably not you management twat!

 

[1927]

Have you asked him what colour overalls he would prefer. Probably not you management twat!

Who said I was the manager?

Overalls are orange beacuse orange is a bright colour, so workers can be seen. Would be a bit pointless having black overalls where visibility is a requirement wouldn't it, you thick twat!

 

[Kanda]

And maybe the manager is a fucking arsehole.

Maybe he was, why stoop to the same level. If the actions of the manager weren't justifiable then fucking cream him with senior management, don't stoop to his level.

It's basic workplace behaviour. I've got cunty managers sacked or at least *sent for more training* in the past. Use your fucking head, don't go spaz.

It's being smart, not a competition or war.

 

[soulman]

You think orange is the only bright colour thicko?

Management or not, you're coming across as an arselicking apoligist.

 

[Kanda]

You think orange is the only bright colour thicko?

Management or not, you're coming across as an arselicking apoligist.

Who are you addressing?

 

[Kanda]

nvm.. I learnt to read up

 

[Firky]

Because he was asked to wear overalls provided. He has continually refused to wear them because he doesnt like the colour. They are orange, its a health and safety issue!

Did you explain this to him or just expect him to wear the overalls?

TBF he would look like he came out of guantanamo bay.

 

[1927]

Did you explain this to him or just expect him to wear the overalls?

TBF he would look like he came out of guantanamo bay.

Everyone else in company wear same overalls,its H&S issue and also a uniform. It is in his contract to wear them.

He has been disciplined before for the same thing.

He has agreed to wear them everytime has been discplined but after a couple of months he stops again.

 

[scifisam]

Did you explain this to him or just expect him to wear the overalls?

Well, it's just clothes - it wouldn't generally need explaining.

TBF he would look like he came out of guantanamo bay.

That thought did occur to me too Though even then he'd only be entitled to get that aggressive if he had actually just come out of Guantanamo Bay!

 

[soulman]

You were asked earlier if this manager is a cunt. You didn't answer. You're playing games. If you're the employee then walk soft lad!

 

[Wilf]

Who said I was the manager?

Okay, you were not the manager. Does that mean you were not present at the said 'event'? If so, do you have the full context? Do you know that the manger was called an 'effing cunt' (oh, how coy!)? Do you know that hands were raised?

 

[equationgirl]

If it's a health and safety issue, doesn't thank make it more important to make sure he follows the rules? Otherwise he's putting others, not just himself, at risk with his behaviour.

I'm not saying the manager isn't being a c*nt about this issue, but health & safety is a bit more important than some stupid jobsworth task most managers delight in.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Who said I was the manager?

Overalls are orange beacuse orange is a bright colour, so workers can be seen. Would be a bit pointless having black overalls where visibility is a requirement wouldn't it, you thick twat!

what colour is the employee or are they a muslim by any chance, i can think of no better inferred or actual work place bullying if they were than to make them wear orange overalls?

look here comes muhummed straigh out of gitmo... etc...

yeah farking terrorist.

what's the underlying issue here?

 

[1927]

The underlying issue is an employee who refuses to wear orange overalls in an environment-construction and quarry work- where orange overalls are a prerequisite for health and safety reasons!

 

[equationgirl]

Yes, but is the employee muslim or could be viewed as muslim by his skin colour?

Because that could be a valid reason for his refusal to wear them - although, to be fair, if it is, I would have thought he would have said so by now.

Has he ever given a valid reason why he doesn't want to wear them?

 

[1927]

Yes, but is the employee muslim or could be viewed as muslim by his skin colour?

Because that could be a valid reason for his refusal to wear them - although, to be fair, if it is, I would have thought he would have said so by now.

Has he ever given a valid reason why he doesn't want to wear them?

He is not muslim, but even if he was I dont see how he could object on the basis that it is a legal requirement.

He has stated that he just doesn't like orange!

 

[equationgirl]

Um, I don't think that's a valid reason.

Why are they orange? Is that a company colour or purely for high vis thing? And if he got yellow ones, for example, would he wear them?

Does he have ginger hair?

 

[scifisam]

This is ridiculous. Someone gets aggressive because he doesn't like orange, and it's the employer's fault?

 

[1927]

Um, I don't think that's a valid reason.

Why are they orange? Is that a company colour or purely for high vis thing? And if he got yellow ones, for example, would he wear them?

Does he have ginger hair?

They are orange because that is the colour adopted historically for work in quarries. It is a uniform in effect as well as the overalls have the name of the company on. It is so that the employees look more professional, as oppossed to other companies in the sector whose workers just wear any old thing and often have no PPE.

Yellow is not an option, firstly the shops selling safetywear do not sell a yellow range and secondly it isnt the uniform colour.

You are having a laff about the ginger hair thing surely!

 

[equationgirl]

So it would seem, scifisam.

As my mother said to me frequently, we all have to do things we don't want to do.

This guy is contractually obliged to wear orange overalls for his safety, and that of others, so basically, he has to.

If he doesn't like it, he should reconsider his employment with the company.

I was trying to see if this guy had any kind of valid reason for not wearing them but I guess there isn't, really.

 

[equationgirl]

You are having a laff about the ginger hair thing surely!

It wasn't so much a laugh as me specualting on the possiblilty of why he doesn't want to wear them.

But, your post has made it perfectly clear why orange was chosen, and there are no viable alternatives, so the way forward is pretty clear.

either he wears them or reconsiders his postion with the company - and I say this because he could be putting other people's lives at risk and that makes him a liability the company can do without.