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the real solution btw would have been that unless you're running something like a hospital or whatever he can use a fake name at work. This is a suprisingly common practice albeit more common in some places than others eg among women with customer service jobs. I was given the option once as "if you use your real name people from here will try and add you on social media". I also know self employed people who do this to keep their work and personal life (including activism) separate.

But you've shown your hand now so it's probably not an option. lol
 
Just a follow up we had a chat this morning and I mentioned about social media posts and attending protests in a nice way and he said ye I do that and basically just for fun and something to do
I now have a line open and I mentioned that maybe that’s not good for his career and going forward if he was looking for a job that future employers could find this and take a dim view
All went down well
u cunt.
 
Just a follow up we had a chat this morning and I mentioned about social media posts and attending protests in a nice way and he said ye I do that and basically just for fun and something to do
I now have a line open and I mentioned that maybe that’s not good for his career and going forward if he was looking for a job that future employers could find this and take a dim view
All went down well
i don't believe you. I suspect you of being extremely clever and attempting to perpetrate a great ruse upon all of us fools here who may unwittingly be jeopardising our careers in sales by pointlessly going to protests for fun.
 
I got the boot the other day from a job I've been in for about ten years, it's a zero hours job and since January I've had no hours.

They just sent my P45, no letter, nothing else, just that.

Cunts.

i think it may be worth talking to union / citizens advice / ACAS

i'm a bit out of date with these things, but I can find some references online to zero hour workers still being entitled to proper redundancy process and possibly redundancy pay
 
Nobody got fired so that’s good in my book
We had a chat and I never mentioned the current position being under threat
Well done. I'm glad you found a constructive way forward despite all the negativity directed at you from people here. It's that kind of negativity that makes many workplaces so unpleasant. So sad that the desire to score political points or express self righteous moral superiority over-rides basic human decency. But you have not allowed this kind of attitude to destroy your business and its profitability, the profitability that pays your staff's wages and puts the food on the table for their children who many here would have starve for the sake of ideology. Keep up the good work.
 
How are you measuring teucher's performance? From here it looks like he's hitting most his targets, and often knocks it out of the park. You've got some formulas all fucked on your spreadsheet or something.
 
The law allows you to dismiss any employee without cause in the first two years of employment
This is true. I've been trying to check it, because it's not mentioned in government advice which I linked to upthread. Seems like quite a serious omission. Here's some detail from an employment lawyer. It's a very long C&P, but at least it's clear. The source is Dismissing an Employee with less than 2 Years' Service | DavidsonMorris

By law, you can usually dismiss an employee with less than 2 years service without the need to demonstrate a fair reason for the dismissal, and with no positive obligation to go through a fair disciplinary or dismissal procedure. This is because employees only gain statutory protection against unfair dismissal after accruing two years’ continuous service with the same employer.

It may be that you do not think an individual is the right fit for your company or organisation, or there could have been various conduct or capability issues that have raised legitimate concerns. For the employee with less than 2 years service, this may mean that their contract of employment can be lawfully terminated, without further investigation or prior warning, and without the need for you to defend either your decision to dismiss or the way in which this is handled.

In contrast, where an employee has worked for you for 2 or more years, you would need to provide one of five fair reasons as set out under the Employment Rights Act 1996, otherwise risk exposing yourself to an unfair dismissal claim.

The statutory fair reasons for dismissing an employee include: capability; conduct; redundancy; breach of a statutory restriction; or some other substantial reason (SOSR). SOSR is a ‘catch-all’ provision that can permit an employer to fairly dismiss an employee where no other potentially fair reason applies.

For employees who have a right to claim unfair dismissal, you would also need to show that you acted reasonably in treating any one of these statutory reasons as sufficient for dismissal, and that you followed a fair process throughout.



Notice period & pay on dismissal
It is important to remember that whilst an employee will not usually be eligible to make a claim for unfair dismissal where they have not yet accrued 2 years continuous service, they could still be eligible to claim wrongful dismissal.

Wrongful dismissal is essentially a breach of contract claim, usually founded on the basis that the employee has been dismissed without notice or pay in lieu of notice. This means that, even when dismissing an employee with less than 2 years service, you must still provide them with any contractual or statutory notice period to which they are legally entitled.

Statutory notice is the minimum legal notice that can be given where, in the absence of any contractual entitlement, an employer should still give their employees one week’s notice if the employee has been employed continuously for one month or more but for less than 2 years.

In some cases, you may be able to justify summarily dismissing an employee, ie; without any notice or pay in lieu of notice. However, this is only where there is clear evidence of gross misconduct on the part of the employee, such as fraud, theft, physical violence, intoxication through either drink or drugs, serious breaches of health and safety, or serious insubordination.



Pitfalls of dismissing an employee with less than 2 years service
When looking to dismiss an employee with less than 2 years service, it can be tempting to shorten or even wholly circumvent any disciplinary, capability or redundancy procedures. However, you should always be mindful of the type of claims beyond ordinary unfair dismissal that you could be exposed to.

The main potential pitfalls that an employer should be aware of when dismissing an employee with less than 2 years’ service include:

  • Automatically unfair dismissal
  • Unlawful discrimination
  • Breach of contract


Automatically unfair dismissal
When dismissing an employee with less than 2 years’ service, there are certain circumstances in which a dismissal may be classed as automatically unfair, and for which there is no qualifying period of service. This is because the law affords special protection to employees who are dismissed in circumstances where the dismissal violates their basic employment rights.

There are around 60 different grounds upon which an employee can claim automatically unfair dismissal including, for example, any reason connected to pregnancy and maternity; for asserting any statutory rights, such as the right to annual leave or the national minimum wage; for making a protected disclosure about wrongdoing in the workplace; or for raising a health and safety concern.

For example, if an employee is dismissed following a TUPE transfer, this may amount to an automatically unfair dismissal for which the reasonableness or procedural fairness of the employer’s decision to dismiss is irrelevant. However, this is the one exception to the ‘no qualifying service requirement’ rule, where an employee would still need to show 2 years service to have a valid claim.

Once an automatically unfair reason for dismissal has been established, you will no longer be able to justify or defend your decision to dismiss. There will also be no need for the employee to show that you failed to follow a fair procedure. The dismissal will be considered automatically unfair, with no further consideration as to either the reasonableness or procedural fairness of your actions.

If the employee is able to establish one of the automatically unfair reasons prohibited by law, the claim will succeed. You may then be ordered to reinstate or re-engage them. You will also be ordered to pay an award of damages comprising of both a basic and compensatory award.



Unlawful discrimination
If you dismiss an employee for a reason related to a protected characteristic, this could amount to both unlawful discrimination and automatically unfair dismissal. Under the Equality Act 2010 a protected characteristic includes age; disability; gender reassignment; marriage and civil partnership; pregnancy and maternity; race; religion or belief; sex; and sexual orientation.

As with a claim for automatically unfair dismissal, there is no qualifying period of service for an employee to be eligible to claim unlawful discrimination. Damages for a discriminatory dismissal are also calculated in a similar way to an unfair dismissal claim in terms of compensation for loss of earnings, although there is no cap on compensation in discrimination cases.

This means that you could be liable to pay the former employee an unlimited sum of money, regardless of how long they have worked for you. An award for injury to feelings is also payable where a finding of discrimination is made.

It will not always be obvious when a dismissal could be classed as being related to a protected characteristic. This could arise, for example, where an employee is dismissed for excessive absences from work where, without further investigation, you have failed to identify that this is as a result of a disability.

Here you would need to consider what reasonable adjustments could be made within the workplace, or to the employee’s working arrangements, such as amended duties or altered hours, before making any decision to dismiss. If you still decided to dismiss, you would need clear evidence that either the disability was not the reason for the dismissal or be able to justify the dismissal as a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.



Breach of contract
When dismissing an employee with less than 2 years’ service, even though you do not necessarily need to justify your decision, a fair process should still be followed in cases where there is a contractually binding disciplinary policy or dismissal procedure set out under the employee’s contract of employment.

Any failure to follow these procedures, for example, failing to undergo an investigation into any misconduct or capability issues, or failing to provide a written warning prior to terminating someone’s employment, may constitute a breach of contract for which the employee could claim damages against you.
 
"It's a zero hours contract, and we can't offer you any hours as such, but there is the possibility of a very generous annual bonus" said bimble when we negotiated the terms. Well, I've secured alternative funding from the Arts Council now, and I won't have to send them the stupid weekly postcount / KPI reports either and I can de-install the monitoring software and electronic tagging system. Like its says on their website they aim at "Supporting individuals who are cultural and creative practitioners and want to take time to focus on their creative development", very much unlike certain people here. So consider my notice given.
 
It's all right, I've called teuchter into the office and made a series of thinly veiled threats about the future consequences of his forum postings if someone less magnanimous and enlightened than myself were to judge them, and after profuse contrition on his part it's been a happy ending - which was not one of the services I originally hired him to provide.
 
It's all right, I've called teuchter into the office and made a series of thinly veiled threats about the future consequences of his forum postings if someone less magnanimous and enlightened than myself were to judge them, and after profuse contrition on his part it's been a happy ending - which was not one of the services I originally hired him to provide.
Hope you didn't get any static shocks from his nylon clothing.
 
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