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A thank you to Brexiteers.

philosophical said:
Indeed that is the theory. It is a bit of a one way valve controlling stuff between the UK mainland and the part of the UK that is Northern Ireland. However there remains no controls on anything moving across the land border in Ireland from the EU to the UK, Northern Ireland being in the UK.
Anyway the protocol is disliked by the UK Government that agreed to it, and by many in Northern Ireland, and it is a good example of the apparently dreaded 'democratic deficit' because separate treatment for Northern Ireland is not what the UK voted for, any more than the UK voted for separate treatment for Staffordshire.
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The protocol was needed to ‘Get Brexit Done’ and was part of the ‘Oven Ready Deal‘ that was bulldozed through by the U.K. Government. They are now saying they don’t like it because the NI economy can flourish by still being a de facto member of the EU, making it obvious what damage has been done to the rest of the U.K. by Brexit and that a better solution would have been for the whole of the U.K. to stay in the SM and CU.
 
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Amid growing public dismay at the negative impact of Brexit, the Cold Chain Federation said speciality food imports could face the same 70% decline that affected exports of food by small businesses this year after Britain quit the EU single market and customs union.
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Sunlit Uplands 👍
 
key bit there (other than points based migration):

"Johnson also highlighted reviews of the regulatory regimes around artificial intelligence, self-driving vehicles, data rights, genetically modified food and medical devices as areas where the UK could deviate from the EU."
 
miktheword said:
Philosophical, can I just say that if I was a capitalist, pro free markets, even a New Labour 'Democratic Socialist'. I may well have gone with the Protocol as It's the solution to Brexit within the capitalist system.

When you say that The Protocol is disliked by many in Northern Ireland, it's by political Unionists, who wanted a hard border as a result of voting for Brexit.

Yes there were many Nationalists who could see the upcoming clusterfuck and opportunity
(it was Sinn Fein's previous position) and who also voted for the same thing but overwhelmingly the supporters of Brexit over here were pro Union and pro hard border.

Even in voters over here who I knew, a hard border wasn't an issue.

In recent polls, despite the constant anti protocol rhetoric by pro Union media, the working of the protocol has gained majority support.

The major benefit of Brexit may well be the acceleration of a United Ireland; it has certainly accelerated the debate here. Sinn Fein lead the polls north and south; if that maintains, the other parties everywhere will be forced to come up with a programme to deal with unification.
Even Jamie Bryson has taken part in two hour RTE debates recently on prospects for a United maybe New Ireland.

I understand why every, left behind by Labour, working class community, voted leave, irrespective of the charlatans leading the campaign; but, if a far greater chance of a United Ireland results, even in a free market area, I'll take that as a prize of sorts; I reckon that many of your protagonists in this debate would want the outcome of a United Ireland.
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Beginning to suspect philosophical’s surname is Paisley; single-issue-nut-job, violent fantasies, banging on endlessly, doesn’t want a United Ireland…
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Beginning to suspect philosophical’s surname is Paisley; single-issue-nut-job, violent fantasies, banging on endlessly, doesn’t want a United Ireland…
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Fuck off you cunt.
I have spent the past five years demonstrating to leave voting cunts that you can’t square the circle where the GFA says remain and the referendum says leave. I would be relaxed enough with a United Ireland, it is nationalism I object to, unlike the nationalist foreigner hating leave voters.
I don’t give a toss whether you pretend you secretly work for a United Ireland, and if you voted leave that was your purpose. Backsliding lies. Disingenuous equivocation where you and your sneering ilk on Urban (leavers and remainers) patronisingly pose and write personals directed at me because I point out, endlessly, that your high falutin pose does not disguise your low down cuntishness in pretending it is possible to leave and remain at the same time.
You and your entourage can piss off and mutually wank each other into a stupor. Your single issue is to put down another to disguise the vacuousness of your own position.
Fuck off and continue with your fantasy of having Nigel Farage suck you off, you are a snide piece of shit who wants to give it out, but probably runs to moderators if you feel slighted in return.
Cunt.
 
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It's become a common meme over the last 12 months... coming up with justification for supporting a far right policy. "Forget the shortages, I voted to improve conditions for HGV drivers" "Tough shit if you want imported cheese, I voted leave to support domestic cheesemongers" "Food rotting in UK fields just demonstrates how over-reliant we were on forrin workers" "Sod the GFA, I voted leave in order for Ireland to be reunited"

Each time, it's becoming less and less credible and that's why polls are showing that support for Brexit is tanking and people are increasingly calling out the bullshit.

Far from done.
 
contadino said:
It's become a common meme over the last 12 months... coming up with justification for supporting a far right policy. "Forget the shortages, I voted to improve conditions for HGV drivers" "Tough shit if you want imported cheese, I voted leave to support domestic cheesemongers" "Food rotting in UK fields just demonstrates how over-reliant we were on forrin workers" "Sod the GFA, I voted leave in order for Ireland to be reunited"

Each time, it's becoming less and less credible and that's why polls are showing that support for Brexit is tanking and people are increasingly calling out the bullshit.

Far from done.
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This is just more bollocks. 99.9% of ALL English/Welsh/Scots voters gave no fucks at all to the UK border issue. An unintended consequence is that a United Ireland is pretty much guaranteed now. That, along with higher wages for various sectors are Brexit benefits, however much people such as yourself try to dismiss it.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
This is just more bollocks. 99.9% of ALL English/Welsh/Scots voters gave no fucks at all to the UK border issue. An unintended consequence is that a United Ireland is pretty much guaranteed now. That, along with higher wages for various sectors are Brexit benefits, however much people such as yourself try to dismiss it.
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Is high inflation a Brexit bonus too? Because that comes along right behind higher wages as sure as night follows day.

99.9% of statistics are made up, but maybe you have a source for that.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
This is just more bollocks. 99.9% of ALL English/Welsh/Scots voters gave no fucks at all to the UK border issue.
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You are guessing.
You have no incontrovertible proof regarding who gave a fuck about what from wherever.
Every voter could have had a different reason, or given different fucks about different things, you have no idea what they cared about neither have I.
What is a know is the result of the referendum, for whatever reasons or none.
The vote was to leave.
Here is the ballot paper:

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The answer is there, no matter what your interpretation is.
Leave won the most votes.
That means that the EU and the UK become separate.
That means the issues of what separation looks like on the land border have to be confronted.
Just because you arily declare nobody gives a fuck, the issue is there and has been exacerbated by the simple result, in numbers, from a simply worded voting slip.
 
contadino said:
Is high inflation a Brexit bonus too? Because that comes along right behind higher wages as sure as night follows day.

99.9% of statistics are made up, but maybe you have a source for that.
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5.2% in the UK vs 4.9% for the EU as a whole. Eurostat/ONS

Where's your evidence of Brexit causing high inflation? Or are you talking our of your hole?
 
philosophical said:
You are guessing.
You have no incontrovertible proof regarding who gave a fuck about what from wherever.
Every voter could have had a different reason, or given different fucks about different things, you have no idea what they cared about neither have I.
What is a know is the result of the referendum, for whatever reasons or none.
The vote was to leave.
Here is the ballot paper:

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The answer is there, no matter what your interpretation is.
Leave won the most votes.
That means that the EU and the UK become separate.
That means the issues of what separation looks like on the land border have to be confronted.
Just because you arily declare nobody gives a fuck, the issue is there and has been exacerbated by the simple result, in numbers, from a simply worded voting slip.
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On the back it stated, in big green letters: "Would you like to raise the blood pressure to a dangerous level of some twerp in South London who will spend the next X years banging on about a border between two countries that will be joined as one if you vote leave"
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
5.2% in the UK vs 4.9% for the EU as a whole. Eurostat/ONS

Where's your evidence of Brexit causing high inflation? Or are you talking our of your hole?
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Prove that 99.9% of ALL English/Welsh/Scots voters gave no fucks at all to the UK border issue. Little steps....
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
On the back it stated, in big green letters: "Would you like to raise the blood pressure to a dangerous level of some twerp in South London who will spend the next X years banging on about a border between two countries that will be joined as one if you vote leave"
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It didn't.
You are lying.
If you are a leave voter, own it, solve it.
I spent a lot of my life witnessing the terrorism and troubles and over 3000 deaths as a result, albeit from a safe distance.
Do you think all that nasty stuff was a bit of a joke?
 
philosophical said:
It didn't.
You are lying.
If you are a leave voter, own it, solve it.
I spent a lot of my life witnessing the terrorism and troubles and over 3000 deaths as a result, albeit from a safe distance.
Do you think all that nasty stuff was a bit of a joke?
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It did, your's didn't cos they wanted to wind you up down the polling station.

And you spent a lot of your life etc., what you tuned in to the news of an evening, as did everyone else, well done you. United Ireland is the end result of Brexit, you HATE Brexit with such a vengeance that you wish physical ills on everyone in the UK as it was voted for. You're a fucking fruit-loop.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
It did, your's didn't cos they wanted to wind you up down the polling station.

And you spent a lot of your life etc., what you tuned in to the news of an evening, as did everyone else, well done you. United Ireland is the end result of Brexit, you HATE Brexit with such a vengeance that you wish physical ills on everyone in the UK as it was voted for. You're a fucking fruit-loop.
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Whatever.
Carry on with your delusion.
 
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