A thank you to Brexiteers.

[philosophical]

I call bullshit

If so can you kindly link to the rules governing imports from the EU to the UK across land, including checks and sanctions?
There are none that I can find.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

If so can you kindly link to the rules governing imports from the EU to the UK across land, including checks and sanctions?
There are none that I can find.

I'm not really in to importing or exporting things, but surely the 'across land' bit means it's only relevant to the irish border?

 

[Ax^]

If so can you kindly link to the rules governing imports from the EU to the UK across land, including checks and sanctions?
There are none that I can find.

Transport goods out of the UK by road: step by step - GOV.UK

How to transport goods out of the UK by road - vehicle operator licences and permits, driver documents and road haulage rules.

www.gov.uk

 

[Ax^]

oh the Irish board you mean well that

Carrying goods into Ireland from Great Britain (GB)

Obligations for hauliers and freight forwarders carrying goods into Ireland from Great Britain.

www.revenue.ie

roro bit is what your are looking for

 

[Ax^]

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[philosophical]

Transport goods out of the UK by road: step by step - GOV.UK

How to transport goods out of the UK by road - vehicle operator licences and permits, driver documents and road haulage rules.

www.gov.uk

I asked for the rules governing imports not exports.

 

[philosophical]

oh the Irish board you mean well that

Carrying goods into Ireland from Great Britain (GB)

Obligations for hauliers and freight forwarders carrying goods into Ireland from Great Britain.

www.revenue.ie

roro bit is what your are looking for

I am looking for the rules regarding imports not exports.

 

[Ax^]

if you export from Ireland you been importing to england


their are rules to it

 

[keybored]

So that's for anyone importing or exporting? Including people who sell across e-bay for example?

Yes, although sellers will frequently and helpfully mark down the value on the customs declaration (no matter where in the world you buy from).

 

[philosophical]

if you export from Ireland you been importing to england


their are rules to it

You could be exporting from the Republic of Ireland to anywhere. If you are exporting from the Republic of Ireland (which is in the EU) across land to the UK can you point me to the rules and regulations issued by the UK government for that land based activity, including information about checks and sanctions?

 

[keybored]

 

[Ax^]

You could be exporting from the Republic of Ireland to anywhere. If you are exporting from the Republic of Ireland (which is in the EU) across land to the UK can you point me to the rules and regulations issued by the UK government for that land based activity, including information about checks and sanctions?

you know how much information that can cover

ok so basic RoRo info for EU to Uk

EU to UK RoRo Requirements



also now the entry have to send when the good arrive into the UK POE
which is another ballache for people to have to do

 

[philosophical]

you know how much information that can cover

ok so basic RoRo info for EU to Uk

EU to UK RoRo Requirements



also now the entry have to send when the good arrive into the UK POE
which is another ballache for people to have to do

So you called what I wrote bullshit, when it turns out to be correct.

This is what I wrote:

As far as I can tell from the government guidelines, anybody can import anything into the UK from the EU with no tariffs, paperwork, checks or sanctions.
Across land.
Anybody found any government guidelines that says that ain’t so?

Roll on and roll off activity is rare along the 300 odd miles of UK/EU land border, and over 200 crossing points.

 

[Ax^]

how is it that rare seeming as we surrounded by water you plank

 

[Ax^]

here is the Gov Guideline for importing into the united kingdom


knock yourself out

Import goods into the UK: step by step - GOV.UK

 

[philosophical]

how is it that rare seeming as we surrounded by water you plank

'We' are not surrounded by water. Northern Ireland is part of the UK that has a land border with the EU.

I have read your link, and it does not apply to stuff coming into the UK overland from the Republic of Ireland.

Here is a visual aid that might help you:



Not surrounded by water as you mistakenly think.
So what in my post made earlier is what you call 'bullshit'?

Here is another visual aid to help you:

 

[Ax^]

bacause your first post was the below

As far as I can tell from the government guidelines, anybody can import anything into the UK from the EU with no tariffs, paperwork, checks or sanctions.
Across land.
Anybody found any government guidelines that says that ain’t so?

 

[Ax^]

also who is anyone if you going to start being a smart arse you plank

 

[Ax^]

seeming as you did not ask the right fucking question in the first place just for you

Customs implications of trade with Northern Ireland

 

[philosophical]

also who is anyone if you going to start being a smart arse you plank

Anyone means anyone.
Thanks for the 'smart arse' compliment. Commonly used by people who are wrong in this instance, like you, to people who are right, like me in this instance.
Would you like to re-visit your assertion that 'we' are surrounded by water?

 

[philosophical]

seeming as you did not ask the right fucking question in the first place just for you

Customs implications of trade with Northern Ireland

I asked about the rules, and how they're going to be enforced.
Because you are thrashing around for the non existent answer, and failing, you have descended into abuse.
Why can't you simply accept what I have said, that in a 300 mile land border, with over 200 crossing points, between the EU and the UK, anybody can do anything?
If I am wrong then prove it, your Government links don't prove that I am wrong in the slightest.

 

[Pickman's model]

bacause your first post was the below

It's wicked to mock the afflicted

 

[Ax^]

I asked about the rules, and how they're going to be enforced.
Because you are thrashing around for the non existent answer, and failing, you have descended into abuse.
Why can't you simply accept what I have said, that in a 300 mile land border, with over 200 crossing points, between the EU and the UK, anybody can do anything?
If I am wrong then prove it, your Government links don't prove that I am wrong in the slightest.

why the fuck so you keep saying the UK when you mean North Ireland

 

[philosophical]

why the fuck so you keep saying the UK when you mean North Ireland

Because at present Northern Ireland is part of the descriptor of the UK.
In the brexit referendum, citizens of Northern Ireland voted in the same way as citizens of Scotland, Wales and England.
Are you saying that Northern ireland is not part of the UK, and unlike Wales, Scotland and England, Boris Johnson isn't it's Prime Minister?

 

[Ax^]

well you so know that

Implementation of the revised Protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland
Under the Revised Protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland, Northern Ireland:

legally remains part of the customs territory of the UK
effectively remains within the EU Single Market for the movement of goods only.

 

[philosophical]

well you so know that

Yes I know that. However in practical terms any goods and any people can cross into the UK from the EU unhindered. The protocol does not prevent that, nothing does in Ireland.
If some kind of legality is to come into play, how is it enforced?
Not at the land border that's for sure.

 

[iveivan]

That’s why there‘s supposed to be a border in the Irish sea. That was the agreement in order to keep the frictionless border between the Republic (in the EU) and Northern Island (In U.K.) In order to protect the Good Friday agreement.

 

[two sheds]

they tried that but the border posts kept sinking

 

[philosophical]

That’s why there‘s supposed to be a border in the Irish sea. That was the agreement in order to keep the frictionless border between the Republic (in the EU) and Northern Island (In U.K.) In order to protect the Good Friday agreement.

Indeed that is the theory. It is a bit of a one way valve controlling stuff between the UK mainland and the part of the UK that is Northern Ireland. However there remains no controls on anything moving across the land border in Ireland from the EU to the UK, Northern Ireland being in the UK.
Anyway the protocol is disliked by the UK Government that agreed to it, and by many in Northern Ireland, and it is a good example of the apparently dreaded 'democratic deficit' because separate treatment for Northern Ireland is not what the UK voted for, any more than the UK voted for separate treatment for Staffordshire.

 

[miktheword]

Anyway the protocol is disliked by many in Northern Ireland, and it is a good example of the apparently dreaded 'democratic deficit' because separate treatment for Northern Ireland is not what the UK voted for, any more than the UK voted for separate treatment for Staffordshire.

Philosophical, can I just say that if I was a capitalist, pro free markets, even a New Labour 'Democratic Socialist'. I may well have gone with the Protocol as It's the solution to Brexit within the capitalist system.

When you say that The Protocol is disliked by many in Northern Ireland, it's by political Unionists, who wanted a hard border as a result of voting for Brexit.

Yes there were many Nationalists who could see the upcoming clusterfuck and opportunity
(it was Sinn Fein's previous position) and who also voted for the same thing but overwhelmingly the supporters of Brexit over here were pro Union and pro hard border.

Even in voters over here who I knew, a hard border wasn't an issue.

In recent polls, despite the constant anti protocol rhetoric by pro Union media, the working of the protocol has gained majority support.

The major benefit of Brexit may well be the acceleration of a United Ireland; it has certainly accelerated the debate here. Sinn Fein lead the polls north and south; if that maintains, the other parties everywhere will be forced to come up with a programme to deal with unification.
Even Jamie Bryson has taken part in two hour RTE debates recently on prospects for a United maybe New Ireland.

I understand why every, left behind by Labour, working class community, voted leave, irrespective of the charlatans leading the campaign; but, if a far greater chance of a United Ireland results, even in a free market area, I'll take that as a prize of sorts; I reckon that many of your protagonists in this debate would want the outcome of a United Ireland.