A thank you to Brexiteers.

[MrSki]

We have lived under neoliberal capitalism for as long as I've been alive. Yes I voted leave. I could have easily voted remain in slightly different circs. How someone voted doesn't matter to me at the end of the day, because real politics = everything around that. I know both leave and remain voters that don't differ from me remotely in terms of their politics.

I agree that over five years later means you don't need to feel any guilt about the way you voted. I mean it was not down to one vote but to still try to claim that it has, so far, benefitted anyone apart from tax avoiders is a bit dodgy.
As you said yourself above the shortage of HGV drivers & their increase in pay is not really a direct impact of Brexit.

 

[Calamity1971]

nah you've got shit taste man, you should take up corrie instead. merry christmas

It'll just depress him, you seen the bare shelves in Dev's?

 

[brogdale]

Taking back control of borders is catching on, tbf...



bit of a shame for all those brexit-barmy ex-pats with their chateaus

 

[philosophical]

If people are fucked up by the leave vote, then the leave voters can sort it out as far as I am concerned.
All the poseurs going on about neo liberalism or sovereignty and the like, not only have had the theory wrong
but they shrug regarding the practicals and suggest it is up to others to sort the problems out.
Even weirder is the notion that says it is all over and remainers should get with the programme, what programme?
All out foreigner hating?
I wonder how comfortable leave voters are in admitting their vote, how many are still unashamed about what they have caused, how many are proud of the state of things.

 

[The39thStep]

Taking back control of borders is catching on, tbf...

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bit of a shame for all those brexit-barmy ex-pats with their chateaus

Devastating news for the readership base of the Guardian .

 

[Yossarian]

Devastating news for the readership base of the Guardian .

Are you a Briton with a home in the EU, sir?

 

[gosub]

Taking back control of borders is catching on, tbf...

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bit of a shame for all those brexit-barmy ex-pats with their chateaus

Is that going to apply to haulage as well?

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

BTW since UK has left I don't see things improving for migrants trying to come to this country. So don't see how Brexit has helped.

Oddly, for something trumpeted so hard as a reason for leaving the EU, it was never a thing that needed a Brexit . . we could have made the immigration changes, and tighten boarder controls while still EU members, (as many other countries did) we just didn't (I assume because it was daft, and too much paperwork).

 

[brogdale]

Is that going to apply to haulage as well?

Unlikely, unless Macron wants to starve the population and destabilise the state.

 

[gosub]

Unlikely, unless Macron wants to starve the population and destabilise the state.

Nope I think he just wants to mitigate as much risk as he can from covid, and he can't with regards EU nationals from other countries

 

[brogdale]

Nope I think he just wants to mitigate as much risk as he can from covid, and he can't with regards EU nationals from other countries

You asked about haulage.

 

[bimble]

Lol at the idea that brexit is done and only weirdos would ever mention it again. It’s not even really started yet

 

[gosub]

You asked about haulage.

I did coz I'm not sure as its being done under public health that there will be a divergence though agree would be a mess if there isnt

 

[MrCurry]

Taking back control of borders is catching on, tbf...

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bit of a shame for all those brexit-barmy ex-pats with their chateaus

Just to point out it’s not just second homers caught out by this. Anyone who lives in an EU country, who might have chosen to visit the UK by car for Christmas is now being turned back by the French, regardless of whether they can show documentary proof of legal right of residence in an EU country (applied for and granted via the Brexit withdrawal agreement process). Only French residence permits are accepted.

I have limited sympathy, because they shouldn’t be travelling in a pandemic anyway, but there is such a thing as essential travel which presumably covers some cases who are currently getting stranded somewhere when they’re just trying to get home (a home within the EU).

In any case, in the post Brexit world where mail ordering anything into the EU countries from U.K. has become more expensive, and in my experience sometimes literally causes months of customs delays, many more people are probably choosing to drive back to load up with marmite, bisto & other U.K. shopping.

 

[sleaterkinney]

I would say this thread isn't anywhere near as toxic as the trans threads because no one really gives a fuck outside of this bubble, if Bimble is pishing her pants about an empty shelf while the rest of us are dealing with covid then no one really cares. I don't think urban quite realises that people still balls deep in the brexit thing after 2 years of this hellish pandemic are just cranks. Me seeing Brogdale- and apparently sound person- on here day in day out is just fucking WEIRD. I've seen some pure FBPE shit on fb and even half of those guys abandoned ship when covid hit.

Get a fucking grip, guys.

Tbf it comes up regularly as a topic of conversation with people I know, and a lot of them are not political in the u75 sense.

The steel situation, the Aussie and nz trade deals are all stuff that will affect people, of course brexit should be judged against the promises made, but I can understand why you wouldn’t want to talk about it if you voted leave.

 

[stdP]

Some restrained comment from Barnier's replacement, Maroš Šefčovič:

DER SPIEGEL: Britain's Office for Budget Responsibility recently calculated that Brexit will cost the UK twice as much as the coronavirus pandemic. Are there times when you just want to shout over the English Channel: "We told you so!"?

Šefčovič: Schadenfreude isn’t helpful in building a strategic partnership with an important neighbor. I certainly sometimes feel regret when I look at how much time our best civil servants spent trying to prevent a chaotic Brexit and what we could have instead accomplished with that energy. But we have to look forward. Democracies should stick together and work together for climate protection, fair and free trade and peace. But we are still talking to the British government about customs controls and other things that we thought would be settled when the Northern Ireland Protocol was agreed in December 2020.

DER SPIEGEL: In your view, are there no problems at all with the Northern Ireland Protocol?

Šefčovič: Yes, of course there are. Overall, though, we are on the right track. Queen’s University in Belfast conducts a regular poll, and at the end of October, for the first time, a majority found that the Northern Ireland Protocol was a good thing. The biggest problem so far has been with medicine supplies, which I think we have solved. There are other trade and customs issues that we will be addressing soon. But for that, we need a British government that is prepared to cooperate.

European Commission Vice President Maroš Šefčovič: "London Has Breached a Great Deal of Trust"

In an interview, European Union Commission Vice-President Maros Šefčovič discusses the troubled ongoing Brexit negotiations with Britain, even after it has left the bloc, and the tough negotiations over a new agreement between the EU and Switzerland.

www.spiegel.de

 

[bimble]

Tbf it comes up regularly as a topic of conversation with people I know, and a lot of them are not political in the u75 sense.

The steel situation, the Aussie and nz trade deals are all stuff that will affect people, of course brexit should be judged against the promises made, but I can understand why you wouldn’t want to talk about it if you voted leave.

No no, you & they are only allowed to talk about covid. Nothing else. Boris Johnson never talks about brexit anymore and we should follow his lead.

 

[contadino]

No no, you & they are only allowed to talk about covid. Nothing else. Boris Johnson never talks about brexit anymore and we should follow his lead.

Moreover, the civil service have been told to no longer refer to Brexit or the transition period, and instead use dates as milestones. It was such a good idea that it should be wiped from history.

ETA: source today's torygraph front page: Newspaper headlines: 'Guilty Ghislaine' and 'testing in tatters'

 

[bimble]

Moreover, the civil service have been told to no longer refer to Brexit or the transition period, and instead use dates as milestones. It was such a good idea that it should be wiped from history.

ETA: source today's torygraph front page: Newspaper headlines: 'Guilty Ghislaine' and 'testing in tatters'

That’s odd. Get Brexit Done is what they campaigned with you’d think they’d want to talk about it loads.

 

[contadino]

That’s odd. Get Brexit Done is what they campaigned with you’d think they’d want to talk about it loads.

Brexit is now polling worse than Herpes so time to try and sweep it under the carpet. Done or not.

 

[gosub]

France suspends rule denying British residents of other EU countries transit

Government says border officials will show tolerance toward those who had gone back to UK for Christmas

www.theguardian.com

 

[The39thStep]

France suspends rule denying British residents of other EU countries transit

Government says border officials will show tolerance toward those who had gone back to UK for Christmas

www.theguardian.com

What a terrible response by Macron to the support that continuity remainers on here have given him over the years.

 

[bimble]

Happy new year to this thread in particular.

 

[Badgers]

 

[two sheds]

So that's for anyone importing or exporting? Including people who sell across e-bay for example?

 

[philosophical]

As far as I can tell from the government guidelines, anybody can import anything into the UK from the EU with no tariffs, paperwork, checks or sanctions.
Across land.
Anybody found any government guidelines that says that ain’t so?

 

[Badgers]

So that's for anyone importing or exporting? Including people who sell across e-bay for example?

On paper. Yes.

 

[bimble]

As far as I can tell from the government guidelines, anybody can import anything into the UK from the EU with no tariffs, paperwork, checks or sanctions.
Across land.
Anybody found any government guidelines that says that ain’t so?

Until tomorrow yes. It’s been a grace period, delayed i think three times.

Full customs controls start on 1 January 2022

HMRC are urging businesses to prepare for customs changes that come into effect on 1 January 2022.

www.gov.uk

 

[The39thStep]

Happy new year to this thread in particular.

And a Happy New Year to you Bimble

 

[Ax^]

As far as I can tell from the government guidelines, anybody can import anything into the UK from the EU with no tariffs, paperwork, checks or sanctions.
Across land.
Anybody found any government guidelines that says that ain’t so?

I call bullshit