A thank you to Brexiteers.

[philosophical]

TBF, I don't think that's actually his job.

Why not? He (she?) voted for it.
One of the few certainties of ‘leave’ is it is or was a vote for a hard border in Ireland.
For evidence may I refer you back to the voting slip I reproduced above, and invite you to contemplate what ‘leave’ means.

 

[philosophical]

If I were a leave voter, I'd be totally reveling in how cross it's made dickheads like you!

I retaliated against personal abuse.
Being ‘cross’ (how quaint) because you’re likened to Ian Paisley is totally in order.
Now carry on revelling.

 

[gosub]

Give it about 10 years. We will be crying back into the EU. No doubting it . Decade will breeze by. Hopefully the condition for re-entry will be no more referendums on leaving for at least 300 years and any early exit will result in a 300 trillion euro fine.

Which would be a clear breach of the UK constitution

 

[gosub]

If I were a leave voter, I'd be totally reveling in how cross it's made dickheads like you!

No. But fuck being accomadating to their position.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Which would be a clear breach of the UK constitution

Ah yes, the Magna Farta

 

[gosub]

Ah yes, the Magna Farta

Nope. No parliament may bind its successors.


Magna Carta is an English thing, rather limited in scope but important in principal. The 1688 Bill of Rights is probably closer to what people think of as as a constitution though again only an English thing.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Worth a read. The happy go lucky backers and journalists striving to make Brexit a success an a reality.

 

[ska invita]

Worth a read. The happy go lucky backers and journalists striving to make Brexit a success an a reality.

this from that

but is a bit like I was saying on the Private Eye thread - its all a bit "yeah we know". Theres an establishment, and a good part of it is Brexit supporting. Not all of it though, you could do a similiar graphic with similar right wing groups and establishment figures that are pro-EU (less a lot of the press though tbf).

I do wonder how much the aristocracy is behind the project...Id expect majority yes. Sun reckons the Queen likes it

 

[Thaw]

He seems to have decided its all a Papist plot.

 

[Badgers]

 

[xenon]

Why not? He (she?) voted for it.
One of the few certainties of ‘leave’ is it is or was a vote for a hard border in Ireland.
For evidence may I refer you back to the voting slip I reproduced above, and invite you to contemplate what ‘leave’ means.

I got a solution,. well take your pick.

1. UK stays in the customs union.
2. United Ireland.

I'd favour 1 at this point though I'm in favour of 2 but I gather there are some over in NI who are... Less kean.

I didn't vote leave BTW. But neither do I think it's on the voters that did to come up with solutions. I mean you don't order the sea bass off the menu only for another punter to demand how you're gonna catch, kill and cook it.

 

[brogdale]

I got a solution,. well take your pick.

1. UK stays in the customs union.
2. United Ireland.

I'd favour 1 at this point though I'm in favour of 2 but I gather there are some over in NI who are... Less kean.

I didn't vote leave BTW. But neither do I think it's on the voters that did to come up with solutions. I mean you don't order the sea bass off the menu only for another punter to demand how you're gonna catch, kill and cook it.

There was the option of not choosing to go into the smelly fish restaurant in the first place.

 

[philosophical]

I got a solution,. well take your pick.

1. UK stays in the customs union.
2. United Ireland.

I'd favour 1 at this point though I'm in favour of 2 but I gather there are some over in NI who are... Less kean.

I didn't vote leave BTW. But neither do I think it's on the voters that did to come up with solutions. I mean you don't order the sea bass off the menu only for another punter to demand how you're gonna catch, kill and cook it.

I am afraid I disagree.
If the vote was for men to have babies it might prove popular, but it has to be feasible.
For the whole of the UK to leave the EU, which is what won the vote, is it not reasonable to assume people knew what they were voting for? And that evidence is the words on the voting slip.
If people knew what they were voting for, it is a more than reasonable assumption that they had a workable solution to the land border issue.
Incidentally, I agree with you that the solution would be for the UK to stay in the customs union, but again that would not be what was voted for.

 

[Serge Forward]

Which would be a clear breach of the UK constitution

That would be the unwritten one?

 

[gosub]

That would be the unwritten one?

Course. Coz a written one might be in breach of our constition

 

[bimble]

It didn't go as hoped. (as acknowledged by leavers)

still wondering what you meant by this - what didn't go as hoped?

 

[redsquirrel]

And? What are you trying to say? That this is suspicious? That Ipsos MORI are hiding something? That it backs up the argument Horatio (and others) have made?

(Here's the link to the full poll on the Ipsos MORI website btw)

 

[bimble]

The poll questions in that screenshot are designed to get the result they got , look at the state of it.
here's someone (thread) explaining. this is why the head of ipsos deleted their tweet.

 

[redsquirrel]

Yeah that is the (loon) implication, I am asking Badgers if he agrees with it.

Polling on hypotheticals is always challenging.

You can do what YouGov do and simply ask if people favour (re)joining the EU but what you are likely to be polling there is highly unlikely to be an accurate picture of how people would vote if a referendum was actually on the table.

Ipsos MORI decided to ask a similar question in a different way, that comes with its own disadvantages (and advantages), and provides different information. The framing of questions and providing priming information does need to be done with a great deal of care and there is no doubt can skew results. But the idea that IM is engaged in some sinister conspiracy is as loony as the chart in post 9698 and the moron who's twitter thread you've linked to.

 

[bimble]

it asked if you want to rejoin 'as soon as possible', which even i would say no to. I'm not going to fight over it but find it very surprising that anyone would think the question was not loaded and designed to get the headline result it did, eg this



its a nice example anyway of how polls can say all manner of stuff, this contrasted with the one a couple of days ago which found that 'only 32% of respondents say the issue should never be reopened'.

 

[redsquirrel]

So Ipsos MORI are another of the "Brexit Enablers" are they? The fiends!
Are YouGov ok now? Or are they part of the conspiracy too?

The fact that Matt Prescott retweets Kerry-Anne Mendoza speaks volumes about their loon nature.

 

[bimble]

I have no conspiracy ideas like that, just think its interesting that's all, that those are basically two totally opposite results. 'less than a quarter think we should rejoin' and 'only 32% think we should never rejoin', its funny.

 

[Yossarian]

it asked if you want to rejoin 'as soon as possible', which even i would say no to. I'm not going to fight over it but find it very surprising that anyone would think the question was not loaded and designed to get the headline result it did, eg this

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its a nice example anyway of how polls can say all manner of stuff, this contrasted with the one a couple of days ago which found that 'only 32% of respondents say the issue should never be reopened'.

Could as easily be "Brexiter hammer blow as two-thirds say we were wrong to leave to EU - poll suggests almost a million Leavers now want to REJOIN as soon as possible" - but I think the Express would have skewed its coverage no matter what the poll question was.

Do they do a "Brexit LIVE" thing every day?

 

[bimble]

The detailed results that redsquirrel linked to are interesting. the gov will be glad that 65% of 2019 conservative voters still think we were right to leave (contrast with 13% of labour voters)

 

[Badgers]

Imagine dishonesty and manipulated claims being part of Brexit...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

it asked if you want to rejoin 'as soon as possible', which even i would say no to.

When do you think we should rejoin?

 

[bimble]

When do you think we should rejoin?

I think we should give it a generation or so, and if there’s still an EU there’ll be another referendum.

 

[Yossarian]

I think we should give it a generation or so, and if there’s still an EU there’ll be another referendum.

Probably best to at least leave it until Boris Johnson and his party are not leading the negotiations.

 

[gosub]

still wondering what you meant by this - what didn't go as hoped?

Go back and read the stuff I wrote at the time. I had thought UK would coalesce around around an in Single Market outside EU position, (slightly ahead of EU offering it in their now heavily delayed next series of reforms). As it was, when it was finally debated in Parliament that option ended up being 1st thing dismissed.

There is so much about Brexit where you end up thinking why would you do it like that? But it is was it is..

 

[gosub]

Probably best to at least leave it until Boris Johnson and his party are not leading the negotiations.

what's the difference between that and ASAP? (not endorsing btw)