A thank you to Brexiteers.

[philosophical]

Yeah, good luck with the happily wallowing in shit - don't you normally post on the other thread?

Which other thread?

 

[Yossarian]

Which other thread?

The big Brexit thread - news, updates and discussion

Now the the UK has 'left' the supra-state, perhaps it's time to move onto a new thread considering the negotiations to establish a new trading relationship with the 27? Of course, the opening gambits will be negotiating positions, but did we expect the right party of capital to come out so...

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[philosophical]

The big Brexit thread - news, updates and discussion

Now the the UK has 'left' the supra-state, perhaps it's time to move onto a new thread considering the negotiations to establish a new trading relationship with the 27? Of course, the opening gambits will be negotiating positions, but did we expect the right party of capital to come out so...

www.urban75.net

Yes, I tend to post haphazardly on whatever Brexit thread. In the main I have two strands, the Irish border, and saying that Brexit voters are cunts.
Funnily enough in the five years since the vote the Irish border question remains a problem, and if anything Brexit voters I encounter have become even greater cunts than they were before.

 

[andysays]

I would welcome more and more shitiness in the UK as a result of Brexit. Maybe not exactly welcome it, but look on shitness as a form of ’I told you so’ to shove in the face of the cunts who voted Brexit. Bleak satisfaction, but there you go.

That's exactly what I was referring to.

Thank you for popping up on cue to confirm it

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Just a friendly reminder that statements like this over simplify a sometimes complex problem. It can take years to educate people appropriately for many jobs so throwing cash around isn’t always a quick fix.

That’s true. But sometimes you’ve got to shake the tree to get apples, and a few of those apples will get bruised.

 

[The39thStep]

Just a friendly reminder that statements like this over simplify a sometimes complex problem. It can take years to educate people appropriately for many jobs so throwing cash around isn’t always a quick fix.

So what would you propose to overcome this in the mid to long term?

 

[philosophical]

That's exactly what I was referring to.

Thank you for popping up on cue to confirm it

You’re welcome.
I would start to be persuaded by brexiters to try to be more positive if they explained how you formally manage the land border in Ireland between two different systems without causing strife on the island.
The Brexit vote applied to the whole of the UK.
However I am not inclined to lift a finger to make things work post Brexit that is true. I want things to go to shit and will suffer it if it means those who I believe voted Brexit because they are nasty xenophobic cunts suffer too.

 

[Supine]

So what would you propose to overcome this in the mid to long term?

I think if you plan to make the uk an unwelcoming place for eu nationals you should have invested heavily in upskilling the uk workforce ahead of time.

Personally I would have preferred to keep the uk open, welcoming and diverse. But my side lost.

 

[TopCat]

You’re welcome.
I would start to be persuaded by brexiters to try to be more positive if they explained how you formally manage the land border in Ireland between two different systems without causing strife on the island.
The Brexit vote applied to the whole of the UK.
However I am not inclined to lift a finger to make things work post Brexit that is true. I want things to go to shit and will suffer it if it means those who I believe voted Brexit because they are nasty xenophobic cunts suffer too.

You continue to astound me.

 

[philosophical]

You continue to astound me.

If you voted Brexit, as I believe you did, then the astonishing effect of what you voted for is permanent.
I am honest in my stance, not trying to play the equivocating everyman of the left who tries to justify the damage caused by the vote.
I shouldn’t be astonishing you, unless consistency is something you struggle to come to terms with.
If you voted Brexit what did you have in mind at the time for the Irish border, and if you are now in favour of making the best of it, how do you suggest I come to terms with Brexit supporting Jacob Rees Mogg and Marc Francois (fellow Brexit supporters of yours?) beyond surrender?

 

[gosub]

I'm all for retraining and employing former prisoners, as mentioned upthread, but I think the physically and psychologically taxing nature of slaughterhouse work is such that nobody should be compelled to go into it - it's got one of the highest workplace injury rates of any job and many workers end up with PTSD.

Are you having a laugh? If you are going to start improving convicted criminals knife skills, I predict that very shortly after prison service will be the ones with the labour shortage

 

[extra dry]

Why the Rolex watch shortage is a 'perfect storm' thank you brexit and covid!

 

[TopCat]

Why the Rolex watch shortage is a 'perfect storm' thank you brexit and covid!

Poor rich people.

 

[TopCat]

If you voted Brexit, as I believe you did, then the astonishing effect of what you voted for is permanent.
I am honest in my stance, not trying to play the equivocating everyman of the left who tries to justify the damage caused by the vote.
I shouldn’t be astonishing you, unless consistency is something you struggle to come to terms with.
If you voted Brexit what did you have in mind at the time for the Irish border, and if you are now in favour of making the best of it, how do you suggest I come to terms with Brexit supporting Jacob Rees Mogg and Marc Francois (fellow Brexit supporters of yours?) beyond surrender?

Bonkers Bruno.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

This thread is another benefit of Brexit - I find the endless, mildly ill-tempered sparring over granular details of a trade pact an almost soothing distraction from the more important and more terrifying issues like climate change and the long-term effects of COVID infection.

With you on the mildly ill tempered sparring. I’ve spent far too much time doing just that on this thread, distracting myself from work and political stuff they actually matters. Part of the frustration I have is that the remain side don’t seem to have a narrative or a vision or any concrete demands. They just seem content with moaning.

 

[philosophical]

Bonkers Bruno.

Do you mean Randolph Luca Bruno, or Bruno Waterfield, or maybe Bruno Le Marie?

 

[philosophical]

With you on the mildly ill tempered sparring. I’ve spent far too much time doing just that on this thread, distracting myself from work and political stuff they actually matters. Part of the frustration I have is that the remain side don’t seem to have a narrative or a vision or any concrete demands. They just seem content with moaning.

The remain side are not required to have a narrative or vision or concrete demands. They lost. It is down to the Brexit side to enact the exact terms of the vote, remainers are at liberty to react.
Although reaction sometimes leads to bonkers personal abuse.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The remain side are not required to have a narrative or vision or concrete demands. They lost. It is down to the Brexit side to enact the exact terms of the vote, remainers are at liberty to react.

If they want any political agency and relevance outside of their bubble they do.

 

[Steel Icarus]

The remain side are not required to have a narrative or vision or concrete demands. They lost. It is down to the Brexit side to enact the exact terms of the vote, remainers are at liberty to react.
Although reaction sometimes leads to bonkers personal abuse.

horseshit

 

[philosophical]

If remainers are supposed to make brexit work what are they supposed to do?
It's a bit like a meat eater getting a rump steak and expecting a vegetarian to cook it for them.

 

[Supine]

If remainers are supposed to make brexit work what are they supposed to do?
It's a bit like a meat eater getting a rump steak and expecting a vegetarian to cook it for them.

Nah, brexiteers have cooked the steak and now they are forcing us remainers to eat it while complaining that we aren’t make the best of the situation.

 

[The39thStep]

I think if you plan to make the uk an unwelcoming place for eu nationals you should have invested heavily in upskilling the uk workforce ahead of time.

Personally I would have preferred to keep the uk open, welcoming and diverse. But my side lost.

Investing heavily in upskilling the workforce doesn't require making the UK an unwelcoming place for EU nationals .

 

[TopCat]

Investing heavily in upskilling the workforce doesn't require making the UK an unwelcoming place for EU nationals .

Innit.

 

[Supine]

Investing heavily in upskilling the workforce doesn't require making the UK an unwelcoming place for EU nationals .

Obviously. I didn’t say it did.

 

[TopCat]

Obviously. I didn’t say it did.

It’s worth mentioning though. The trade associations are making out its xenophobia etc hampering their profits rather than decades of no investment in the workforce they so desperately need.

 

[Supine]

It’s worth mentioning though. The trade associations are making out its xenophobia etc hampering their profits rather than decades of no investment in the workforce they so desperately need.

I really don’t agree with that. After decades of EU free movement we had an integrated international workforce. Brexit showed many EU nationals that they were not wanted in the UK anymore. They left. We now have workforce shortages. Not all brexit voters wanted Europeans to go home but enough did and the message was sent.

Pay and conditions appears to be a brexiteers way of avoiding the blame. Bring up an existing domestic problem to deflect from the fundamental issues brexit has caused.

 

[Pickman's model]

horseshit

You're too kind to him

 

[philosophical]

Stalker alert.

 

[brogdale]

I really don’t agree with that. After decades of EU free movement we had an integrated international workforce. Brexit showed many EU nationals that they were not wanted in the UK anymore. They left. We now have workforce shortages. Not all brexit voters wanted Europeans to go home but enough did and the message was sent.

Pay and conditions appears to be a brexiteers way of avoiding the blame. Bring up an existing domestic problem to deflect from the fundamental issues brexit has caused.

"...integrated international workforce..." is an interesting phrase.

To my mind there is a supply of labour that capital will exploit. Given that a sub-set cohort of that labour supply have, understandably, fucked off, capital and it's political wings will just ensure that 'flexibility' is 'improved' until the threat of the rising cost of labour is neutralised.

 

[TopCat]

"...integrated international workforce..." is an interesting phrase.

To my mind there is a supply of labour that capital will exploit. Given that a sub-set cohort of that labour supply have, understandably, fucked off, capital and it's political wings will just ensure that 'flexibility' is 'improved' until the threat of the rising cost of labour is neutralised.

They can’t at the moment though as furlough ends within four weeks and will likely put half a million uk workers out of work/income. They know they have to let profits get squeezed and inflation rise as the alternatives are too much for them.