A thank you to Brexiteers.
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ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Just a friendly reminder that complaints of “labour shortages” by businesses is just code for “we’re going to have to start paying people more and we don’t like it”
dessiato
🇪🇸 españa te quiero
Very much this.
If you make anything attractive enough people will want it/to do it. Whether that is economic is an entirely different question. I can't, for example, imagine a price that would make me want to spend the day bent over picking strawberries in a field.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
True, but that message is not aimed at us; it's to encourage their political wing to "bring more flexibility to supply side issues"...ie. accelerate the mobilisation of the reserve armies by making even more difficult to exist without working.
You would think that our beshitted government would have planned for this and mandated workers rights eh?
Still, here we are
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
What an excellent name for the mail
bimble
floofy
Even with the 'best' will in the world, they'd have to not only force people to train as butchers but also force them to move across the country to where the butchers jobs are. Not saying they won't try it.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Happened before; remember Tebbit's father "who (didn't riot) but got on his bike to look for work".
gosub
~#
But we are joining a trading block ...that Pacific thing.
How Brexit Britain Became a Failing State
Brexit Britain is Running Short of Everything, From Beer to Blood Tests. This is What it Means to Become a Failing Stateeand.co
I don't disagree entirely with that article, wanted a Brexit that kept us in Single Market , but hey ho. but it doesn't acknowledge EU was far more than a trading block
bimble
floofy
Just taking the example of the pigs problem though, lets say you were a total bastard of a farm owner who had 100,000 big fat pigs and had to choose right now between:
a) destroying them in a fire (zero profit presumably, instead a big loss cos you've fed them etc) and
b) offering good wages for the butchers you'd need in order to sell them (some profit) ,
what would you do. I don't think they are going to do a bonfire of the pigs because they haven't considered offering better wages i think its cos there just are not, currently right now, enough people in the country with the necessary skills.
dessiato
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To an extent I have no issue with this. It's when people are forced to do it, to take jobs they'd otherwise not want, and to do it without help to move, that I take great issue with it.
Yossarian
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It's another industry that's turned to prison labour - they also tried to recruit former squaddies but there apparently wasn't much interest.
Prisoners to plug worker shortage in meat industry
Meat industry leaders tell the BBC the government is "keen" to link up businesses with inmates.
www.bbc.com
dessiato
🇪🇸 españa te quiero
You could also make the criminals wear special identification markers.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Nothing like doing business further away in the middle of a climate meltdown.
Though it's quite amusing seeing the trans Pacific thing bigged up by eager leave politicians when it's also a mechanism to degrade sovereignty and arbitrate trade.
The new agreement is slightly better than the original TPP but now the US is back to biden we'll see how long that lasts.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
They are early release category so low risk and are due to leave to go back into society.
Supine
Newt Member
Just a friendly reminder that statements like this over simplify a sometimes complex problem. It can take years to educate people appropriately for many jobs so throwing cash around isn’t always a quick fix.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Indeed; so both the geography and scale of this as a solution to capital's recruitment issues are limited. Sounds more like Tory 'virtue-signalling' to its core (get the felons working hard for a change) than an effective response to the wage shortage.
MysteryGuest
beyond boring and interesting
Yossarian
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I'm all for retraining and employing former prisoners, as mentioned upthread, but I think the physically and psychologically taxing nature of slaughterhouse work is such that nobody should be compelled to go into it - it's got one of the highest workplace injury rates of any job and many workers end up with PTSD.
andysays
Love and solidarity
And the high rates of Covid infection, awful working conditions and shit pay were all based on practices utterly dependent on the highly exploitative use of workers from poorer EU countries.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Lord Frost yesterday:
"Brexit is not a thing in itself. It is not a choice to live in permanent confrontation with our friends and neighbours. Rather it is a first stage, a necessary gateway through which this country had to pass in order to give us freedom, if we make the right choices, to free up and liberalise our economy.."
Lord Frost is talking bollocks. There is always total ‘freedom’, which in itself is a meaningless concept.
What we have in life are restrictions, what Rousseau would call chains. Many accepted voluntarily, like the social contract that we ought not to murder someone, or that we contribute taxes for the greater good.
Greater freedom is defined by less restrictions, it is not a sunny upland of abundance provided without effort by some kind of faceless Dharma initiative.
Try asking Brexit voters what restrictions they suffered under pre 2016.
Try asking what was beneficial by being a member of the EU, like being able to live, learn, work and travel throughout the EU.
Lord Frost is simply another dreary Brexit cunt.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The early release scheme for work has been around for years ,.It was cut back for a while but has been expanded , so there are always going to be those completing their sentences working in the community.
However reliance on such schemes isn't sustainable for most businesses, it's just another short term bodge/quick fix. Industry has had five years to prepare for Brexit , albeit no one saw Covid coming which has been a big factor as well in changing labour supply. However as the head of the British Meat Processors Association was quoted ( you could substitute any of the employers organisations for them tbh ) "“The Government has got to do something really quickly,” he said. “We need a quick fix – we understand longer term that we all have to adapt, and either mechanise or get British labour doing these jobs, but in this immediate short-term, on the back of COVID, we can’t do it. Without the short-term fix, there’ll be long-term damage.”
Absolutely and as far as I am aware no one is compelled, there are entirely due to covid and Brexit lots of demand from other industries for staff . So the idea that its either sit in a cell or work on meat processing isn't the reality. Cheffing is is a popular early release occupation.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I would welcome more and more shitiness in the UK as a result of Brexit. Maybe not exactly welcome it, but look on shitness as a form of ’I told you so’ to shove in the face of the cunts who voted Brexit. Bleak satisfaction, but there you go.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
I thought all the ballet dancers retrained as butchers during the pandemic?
Yossarian
⏭️
Yeah, good luck with the happily wallowing in shit - don't you normally post on the other thread?
gosub
~#
no they were told their next job might be in cyber.
The Butcher thing, this is one area (of a couple) I do think Dr Richard North on EUreferendum does have useful insight as his doctorate is Environmental Health
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