A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Loose meat]

i'm not at all sneering. Of course it would not be for everyone but if that link is true and its really just 1% women that's pretty unusual.

It's not that usual. There is masses of data from the early industrial age that shows men lean towards working with things, and women lead towards working with humans.

That is why the idea of equality of outcome - 50% men/women in every job must equal fairness - is so derided by proponents of eqaulity of opportunity, which leaves it up to individuls to choose i.e. nurses vs. bricklayers, etc.

 

[Loose meat]

You don't believe in a minimum hourly rate for people working in this country? If it doesn't cover everyone then companies will be able to get round it by employing cheap labour. There'd be no point.

I'd encourage you to begin a re-think. Strip it back to basics. You're arse is hanging out upside down in the air.

 

[bimble]

It's not that usual. There is masses of data from the early industrial age that shows men lean towards working with things, and women lead towards working with humans.

That is why the idea of equality of outcome - 50% men/women in every job must equal fairness - is so derided by proponents of eqaulity of opportunity, which leaves it up to individuls to choose i.e. nurses vs. bricklayers, etc.

oh right. thanks for explaining that to me marty.

 

[andysays]

you know, equally, your idea that almost no hgv drivers are women is cos 'the conditions are far from ideal' & they're probably mothers does not come across as completely un-sneery to me.

Feel free to suggest an alternative hypothesis if you don't like mine. I'm not putting it forward as anything definitive.

 

[Loose meat]

whatever, Marty. Happy to help.

 

[two sheds]

I'd encourage you to begin a re-think. Strip it back to basics. You're arse is hanging out upside down in the air.

Did marty1 do this sort of shit before and I just didn't notice it? He's gone down since then.

 

[Loose meat]

Did marty1 do this sort of shit before and I just didn't notice it? He's gone down since then.

Hey Marty, what's it like to have been a Brexiteer all along but being too preoccupied with 'fitting in' with people you'll never meet you didn't even know it..

 

[bimble]

Did marty1 do this sort of shit before and I just didn't notice it? He's gone down since then.

yeah i think the demise of the donald has taken a toll.

 

[Yossarian]

It's not that usual. There is masses of data from the early industrial age that shows men lean towards working with things, and women lead towards working with humans.

That is why the idea of equality of outcome - 50% men/women in every job must equal fairness - is so derided by proponents of eqaulity of opportunity, which leaves it up to individuls to choose i.e. nurses vs. bricklayers, etc.

Women are better drivers though. Behind the Wheel, Women Are Safer Drivers Than Men (Published 2020)

 

[Loose meat]

What the screaming fuck has that got to do with individual employment preferences.

That's all the stupidity I can take for one visit.

 

[bimble]

Feel free to suggest an alternative hypothesis if you don't like mine. I'm not putting it forward as anything definitive.

A small google led to nothing at all surprising, an illustrated article in the sun about how hot glamorous women CAN be truckers too, 'and they can reverse!'. Basically as with everything, including software engineering etc, i think its just about reaching a point where you (women or whatever else) are not in a tiny conspicuous minority , that changes the culture of the job & makes more people feel like they could enter the profession thats all.

 

[Yossarian]

Did marty1 do this sort of shit before and I just didn't notice it? He's gone down since then.

Marty1 was a commercial driver, or claimed to be, I think he might have been able to provide slightly more worthwhile insights than whoever this one is - if the real Marty1 returned I think there's no way in hell he'd be able to keep himself away from the Trump threads, it's what got him banned in the first place.

 

[Raheem]

Do you mean he might be faking being Marty1? Despicable if true.

 

[The39thStep]

Do you mean he might be faking being Marty1? Despicable if true.

That would be great if true. Imagine having to do the research by reading every one of Marty1s posts and the replies and then work that into your impression of what his online persona would be like.

Mind you sometimes the impression you get of of peoples online names or personas are way off the mark when you meet them in real life. I always imagined that friedaweed was some skinny hippy with locks and coloured leggings before I met him.

 

[bimble]

Three grand to get a hgv license in this country. That is mad.

 

[Raheem]

Three grand to get a hgv license in this country. That is mad.

Less than a degree, and a higher return in many cases.

 

[Ax^]

I'm sure the goverment will step up and provide the budget to start training people to fill this skill gap


or just give visa to foreign drivers

which ever is cheaper

yay for Brexit

 

[bimble]

Less than a degree, and a higher return in many cases.

You can get class 2 for a grand. I don’t know what that means but it still seems a lot.

 

[Ax^]

you can drive a ridged truck ie one that the cab does not seperate from think a bin lorry or simular lorry

you need a class 1 for what you think as a real truck

 

[bimble]

I'm sure the goverment will step up and provide the budget to start training people to fill this skill gap


or just give visa to foreign drivers

which ever is cheaper

yay for Brexit

I’m surprised they haven’t just caved already and added hgv drivers to fruit pickers as special cases allowed to keep coming here without decent pay / particular points.

money for apprentice drivers & shorter hgv training they’re offering

 

[Ax^]

nice lowering driving standards and removing the workers rights to break due to the tacho

expecting the tories to support the working man

 

[bimble]

Really interesting reading actual drivers responses to it all on the Twitter, their takes on why so few younger British people are coming into the job here & haven’t for years. Like you have to pay stupidly loads to qualify and then nobody wants drivers without a years experience, then you pay loads more to park up anywhere that’s legal, as required by law, probably fight someone for your space cos there are nowhere near enough.
If when you’re off for a wee some migrants manage to hide in yr truck en route you go to prison.
No facilities, or massively expensive ones at service stations.
It basically doesn’t make any sense unless you’re earning more after all of that than you could at home / elsewhere.

 

[The39thStep]

Less than a degree, and a higher return in many cases.

We’ve found a potential army of reserve labour . Get the students to jack in zoom lectures and hanging round bars calling people mate and get them into a vocation with a qualification that could pay them more . Great thinking .

 

[two sheds]

When there are so many positions for filling out customs forms? I think not.

 

[bimble]

the problems the drivers are talking about are not confined to the industry itself, even if pay went up a lot it's broader than that, the infrastructure & culture & laws of the land are unusually hostile to the life of long distance trucking. Which makes sense, cctv everywhere , all those laws to criminalise parking your van where you want etc.

 

[The39thStep]

When there are so many positions for filling out customs forms? I think not.

Wouldn’t trust a student to do that tbh

 

[bimble]

There is masses of data from the early industrial age that shows men lean towards working with things, and women lead towards working with humans.

Hours have passed and i am still sat here marvelling at this insight.
the early industrial age's employment distribution = a great way of revealing the innate skills & desires of women and men. Apart from the people who worked at factories obvs, women & girls were just really drawn to those things.









oh.

 

[brogdale]

What the screaming fuck. Do you honestly not understand that earnings is relative to an economy, that a Polish plumber earns as much relative to the Polish economy as a British plumber does to the British economy - his family is still essentially middle class, in Poland.

Tell me people here understand basic international economics.

I think people here understand basic international economics; but just to be sure...maybe you could say what you understand by basic international economics; for instance are you angling at purchasing power parity ("Big Mac index") as a justification for your isolationist position?

 

[bimble]

When he says 'a Polish plumber earns as much relative to the Polish economy as a British plumber does to the British economy' what does it even remotely mean? Can't possibly mean a Polish plumber plumbing in actual Poland.
I think he just means America First.

 

[brogdale]

When he says 'a Polish plumber earns as much relative to the Polish economy as a British plumber does to the British economy' what does it even remotely mean? Can't possibly mean a Polish plumber plumbing in actual Poland.
I think he just means America First.

Yes; I suspect that the troll's ideological position is predominantly a nativist/nationalist one, but he's accused posters here of not understanding International Economics which is...checks notes...QI.