A new mass party of the left (Jan 2025 edition)! Collective / Fightback

[ska invita]

New proto-party COLLECTIVE are kicking into gear and "be assured that we are closer than ever to bringing about the class-based, mass left-wing party we so urgently need”. Weekly Worker reports that the favourite new party name is FIGHTBACK
More details here

New year, new left party? - Weekly Worker

Collective is pursuing Corbynism without Corbyn - it all looks very unpromising and very undemocratic … especially if the SWP tries to jump on board, says Carla Roberts

weeklyworker.co.uk

Those involved so far include
“Aspire, Assemble and Just Stop Oil, Campaign For A Mass Workers Party, For The Many, Jewish Voice for Labour (JVL), Reliance, Social Justice Party, Socialist Party and Tusc, The Muslim Vote, Transform, TWT and others.”
And Alex Callinicos is suggesting maybe the SWP will get involved
No Corbz.
Form an orderly queue please

So Transform is officially done then I guess

 

[emanymton]

The left really need to learn it needs to try and walk before trying to run.

 

[ska invita]

The left really need to learn it needs to try and walk before trying to run.

By doing what?

 

[emanymton]

By doing what?

I wish I knew.

But I know that trying to rush once again to create another mass party of the working class won't get anywhere.

 

[planetgeli]

New proto-party COLLECTIVE are kicking into gear and "be assured

Why am I not assured?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

It would be nice to not be instantly cynical and dismissive of something like this wouldn't it. Don't think I have it in me though, anyone else fancy a crack?

 

[cupid_stunt]

 

[PTK]

“Aspire, Assemble, Campaign For A Mass Workers Party, For The Many, Reliance, Social Justice Party, The Muslim Vote, Transform, TWT"
I am old and out of touch, it is true, but I don't think that I have heard of these groups.

 

[Ax^]

I wish I knew.

But I now that trying to rush once again to create another mass party of the working class won't get anywhere.

Jesus it's easy trying to herd a bunch of catnip infused kittens that it is to creat a party from members of the left ..

might as well start a "people who hate other people" Political party..

you coming to the meeting tonight

"not if you are coming cunt"

 

[ska invita]

“Aspire, Assemble, Campaign For A Mass Workers Party, For The Many, Reliance, Social Justice Party, The Muslim Vote, Transform, TWT"
I am old and out of touch, it is true, but I don't think that I have heard of these groups.

Aspire were a great team on series 5 of The Apprentice
Assemble had several very good meetings
Campaign For A Mass Workers Party have just achieved their goal and are retiring
For The Many only has 4 members
etc

 

[PTK]

I hear that the St Albans Socialist Circle (Marxist-Leninist) is also interested, so there is hope that this will succeed.

 

[PTK]

We Aspire to Assemble a Social Justice Party For The Many, but we place no Reliance on those who think that they can Transform the Campaign For a Mass Workers Party.

 

[xenon]

Is this the thing Eric Jarvis mentioned a few weeks ago?

 

[PTK]

The word on the street in Lewes is that Socialist Dawn (Sid Brown and Doris Foster) is also considering coming on board.

The Wigan Vanguard will be meeting to consider endorsing the new project, as soon as Keith's mum goes on holiday and they can use her living room.

 

[ska invita]

Now what if Mick Lynch became the figurehead?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Will the Economic and Philosophic Science Review be involved?

 

[ska invita]

Will the Economic and Philosophic Science Review be involved?

Of course not, for only LENINISM IN ITS PUREST FORM is the way forward for them (...I mean him). That's just plain economic and philosophical science.

 

[Riklet]

Now what if Mick Lynch became the figurehead?

He wouldnt because he's not a fucking idiot.

Build and they will come.

 

[PTK]

Will the Economic and Philosophic Science Review be involved?

I hope so, after their great success in making the Socialist Labour Party what it is today.

 

[steeplejack]

New proto-party COLLECTIVE are kicking into gear and "be assured that we are closer than ever to bringing about the class-based, mass left-wing party we so urgently need”. Weekly Worker reports that the favourite new party name is FIGHTBACK
More details here

New year, new left party? - Weekly Worker

Collective is pursuing Corbynism without Corbyn - it all looks very unpromising and very undemocratic … especially if the SWP tries to jump on board, says Carla Roberts

weeklyworker.co.uk

"Now, more than ever..."

Will these stopped clocks ever be right?

 

[The39thStep]

"Now, more than ever..."

Will these stopped clocks ever be right?

Whatever happened to ex Marxists for Griffin?

 

[spitfire]

Aspire is Lutfur Rahmans lot from Tower Hamlets. Dodgy as fuck. Yes I live there.

 

[hitmouse]

From reading that Weekly Worker article, we learn that one of the co-founders has already resigned:

Why the Corbyn left is sliding into political irrelevance... and what can be done about it.

An all-out establishment war on Corbynism didn’t quite manage it. Starmer’s purge of Corbynites from the Labour Party didn’t either. But in the end, the Corbyn left might succeed in destroying itself.

jschlosberg.substack.com

 

[andysays]

I see you've put the year in the thread title ska invita, but to avoid the chance of confusion over the coming months, might it be advisable to add the full date now?

 

[steeplejack]

So basically "Transform" was a couple of shouty meetings of old Trots, which mutated into this thing? Or is this a cigarette paper's worth of difference two Trot groups who hate one another more than they hate the political mainstream?

It's not clear at all.

 

[ska invita]

I see you've put the year in the thread title ska invita, but to avoid the chance of confusion over the coming months, might it be advisable to add the full date now?

Good point, done.

 

[rasputin]

The Left's answer to everything seems to be to form more and more factions. Depressing.

 

[Rob Ray]

Tbf parties are an attempt to defaction. The problem is they're all self-important cunts who are less interested in actually meeting the working classes than they are in pontificating at each other about them.

(I say this on Urban, of course, but I'm not pretending me waffling in my dressing gown on a day off is going to Transform the Fightback ).

 

[ska invita]

I still say everyone would be better off piling in to the Greens and turning it into an explicitly ecosocialist party

 

[The39thStep]

I still say everyone would be better off piling in to the Greens and turning it into an explicitly ecosocialist party

You haven't joined the Greens though have you?